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Hi OC, Sorry for being so long just dropped a whole box of these tiny sweetners all over the carpet, over a 1000 of them, oh no. Anyway I don't know if the Catherine is her sister or not, havent got to this side of the family as Collins are my rellies. But it maybe Catherine is married with a differnt surname not sure. Betty

What relation does it say on the census for Catherine? (Sorry, I don't have Ancestry) OC

She might not have been using the name Ann or she might have switched to it (Ann Duffy). Am i correct in remembering that her father was a jute weaver? There is this one in Dundee 1861, a couple of miles away from Berwick i know but its the closest i can see. Name: Patrick Duffy Age: 56 Estimated birth year: abt 1805 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Registration Number: 282/2 Registration district: Dundee Second District Civil parish: Dundee County: Angus Address: Douglas St Coupers Land Occupation: Jute Weaver ED: 22 Page: 5 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 28 Line: 18 Roll: CSSCT1861_41 Household Members: Name Age Andrew Duffy 23 Bridget Duffy 4 Elisabeth Duffy 26 Helen Duffy 15 James Duffy 10 Margret Duffy 20 Mary Duffy 60 Mary Duffy 17 Patrick Duffy 56 Everyone, apart from James and Bridget, was born in Ireland. Mhairi p.s Nice to talk to you too Betty :) i read on SFT that you where coming across here to speak to me, anything i can help with?

Going to have to leave this one tonight (this morning), my eyes are refusing to say open. Till later on Mhairi

OC Mary and Catherine are not together on the census...in fact they are on different pages. I have no idea why they show up together...thats ancestry for you though Mhairi

Hi OC, I don't have Ancestry either someone tried to help with that one I posted, maybe Mhairi can help with that question?? Mhairi it was this I was going to ask you about anyway? Couldn't find Mary Ann's birth, that could be the family in Scotland but again I can't be sure. Betty

No Problem Mhairi, I am like that to but just dropped 1000 sweetners all over the floor and table, and couch and chair. Will take forever to remove them ,can't put vacuum on at this time in the morning, it will waken people next door. Betty

Hi OC, looks like we both don't have Ancestry so we may have to leave it until tomorrow with Mhairi. I don't think the fanily she found in Dundee is the correct one as Mary Ann Duffy worked in a Paper Mill in Durham. Prior to this she was in Berwick. Betty

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Hi Betty,still no sign on 1851,but i've got them on 1861. William St, Lanchester,Co Durham. Patrick Duffy 35 ironworks lab Ireland Mary Ann Duffy 32 Ireland Bridget Duffy 17 Ireland Mary Ann Duffy 11 Scotland Francis Duffy 3 Dur,Lanchester Trawled England & Scotland 1851,no luck! Regards Tony

Hi Tony, Thanks so much for that I have been searching Scotland and couldn't find this family either, thanks so much. Woooohooooo!!! Thats them!!! Betty p.s. why Thomas on your name above then??

Hi Betty, full name is Thomas Anthony,never been known as anything but Tony!! Regards Tony

Hello again,Bridget Duffy marries Peter Mee,March Qtr 1865 Durham 10a 417. On 1871 they are living at Bottle Bank,Blackhill and she has her birthplace as Armagh,Ireland. Regards Tony

Hi again Tony, Thanks for that information on Bridget's marriage, The Duffy and Collins family must have both stayed in Bottle Bank area of Durham. I have all the Collins family there from 1871 census after Mary Ann Duffy married Thomas Collins in 1866 but I don't have the Duffy family. Will have to ask someone for the info, thanks for all you have done, really great. Betty

She added a couple of years to her age then. 16 to 21 = 5 years! So are we now looking for a Mary A Duffy born in 1850? Mhairi

Hey Betty if you dont already have it, here is Francis' birth reg no Births Sep 1857 (96%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Duffy Francis Durham At least you'll be able to get the mothers maiden name Mhairi

1871 Name: Francis Duffey Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Relation: Son Father's name: Patrick Mother's name: Brafy Gender: Male Where born: Benfieldside, Durham, England Civil parish: Benfieldside Ecclesiastical parish: Benfieldside Town: Benfieldside or Black Hill County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: Lanchester ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 231 Household Members: Name Age Brafy Duffey 50 Catherine Duffey 6 Francis Duffey 14 Patrick Duffey 50 Patrick Duffey 9 It gives counties for the parents (you lucky thing!) Would you like the image? Mhairi p.s the name of the mother is Brafy on the image...

Hi Mhairi, Thanks for Francis Duffy's birth ref details, yes I should be able to find out the mothers maiden name from the birth certificate. Re Mary Ann Duffy, I have her marriage certificate and she staes she was 21 in 1866 when she married in Durham, just wondering now if she was in fact 21 then. Every census her age is so differnt, made it quite difficult to find her but I did have this information below so she was still alive in 1917!! Patrick Collins brother of Thomas' s son also called Thomas born 1885 in Durham died in Ypres, Belgium? A leaflet published by Deorwenta Publcations, Blackhill, Co Durham (St. Mary's War Memorial) and it reads as follows: '5332 Patrick Collins DCM Age 27: P Collins, one of twelve children, was a son of Thomas Collins, originally from Co. Monaghan, Ireland and Mary Anne Collins, neé Duffy, from Berwick on Tweed, whose family came from Co Armagh, Ireland. Patrick was born on 15 July 1889 and the family lived at 29 Waltons Row, Blackhill, Co Durham. He enlisted at Newcastle on Tyne, to join the 6th Battalion, Connaught Rangers in Co Cork, Ireland, attached to the British Expeditionary Force. On Friday 9 March 1917, he died of wounds and is buried at Kemmel Chateau Military Cemetry, Heuvellland, West Vlaanderen, Belgium. Grave reference: M81. After his death, his mother was presented with the DCM at the Olympia Cinema, Blackhill, when his courageous advance into no-man's-land was commemorated on stage. Betty

Hey Betty She might have said she was 21 as under that age, you had to have parents permission (in england at least) to marry. Thats a great piece of information to find out! It adds a bit of 'flesh' to the person's life. Cant see the Duffy family in the 1881, will keep looking. Mhairi

I am searching for my ather Thomas McCabe, he was in earls court London in the late 60s early 70s, He worked as a lift installer, he would have known a Judy Thorne.
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