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First name(s) ELLEN
Last name WARD
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1854
Age 51
Death quarter 2
Death year 1905
District Orsett
County Essex
Volume 4A
Page 251
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Thomas is claiming to be single in 1911 so perhaps Ellen had died?

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
84 William Street Grays Essex, Grays Thurrock, Essex, England
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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Samuel Cattling Head Married Male Dock Labour 56 1855 Coats Cambershire
Emily Cattling Wife Married Female - 42 1869 Kidderminster
Sarah Cattling Daughter Single Female Domestic Servant 20 1891 Grays Esx
Mary Cattling Daughter Single Female Domestic Servant 18 1893 Grays Esx
Mendie Cattling Daughter Single Female School 13 1898 Grays Esx
Florrie Cattling Daughter Single Female - 5 1906 Grays Esx
Earnie Cattling Son Single Male - 3 1908 Grays Esx
Alfie Cattling Son - Male School 12 1899 Grays Esx
Thomas Ward Boarder Single Male Bricklayer 54 1857 Scarborough

Here we go! Looks like Doris was Ethel's niece

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
54, Benson Road, Grays Thurrock, Orsett, Essex, England

Thomas Ward Head Married Male 45 1856 Bricklayer Scarborough, Yorkshire, England
Ellen Ward Wife Married Female 47 1854 - Lincolnshire, England
Alice Ward Daughter Single Female 19 1882 - Hull, Yorkshire, England
Thomas Ward Son - Male 13 1888 - Glamorgan, Wales
Elizabeth Ward Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Grays, Essex, England
Ellen Ward Daughter - Female 8 1893 - Grays, Essex, England
Margaret Ward Daughter - Female 6 1895 - Grays, Essex, England

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
111, St Georges Road, St George the Martyr Southwark, St Saviour Southwark, London, England

Annie Webber Head Single Female 32 1869 Adjutant Salvation Army Cornwall, England
Fanny H Hanway Boarder Single Female 39 1862 - Gloucestershire, England
Mary Smith Boarder Single Female 37 1864 Captain Of Salvation Army Kent, England
Edith Johncock Boarder Single Female 29 1872 - Kent, England
Martha James Boarder Single Female 23 1878 - Nottinghamshire, England
Edith Dine Boarder Single Female 22 1879 Lieutenant Salvation Army Hampshire, England
Kate Gibbs Boarder Single Female 26 1875 - Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Alsina Castell Boarder Single Female 28 1873 - Horley, Surrey, England
Elizabeth Carter Boarder Single Female 24 1877 Cadit Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England
Ethel Ward Boarder Single Female 20 1881 - Hull, Yorkshire, England

Wondering if Doris's mother Margaret was related to Ethel

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Salisbury Road, Grays Thurrock, Orsett, Essex, England

Thomas Ward Head Married Male 35 1856 Bricklayer Yorkshire, England
Ellen Ward Wife Married Female 37 1854 - Yorkshire, England
Ethel Ward Daughter - Female 11 1880 Scholar Yorkshire, England
Alice Ward Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Hull, Yorkshire, England
Thomas Ward Son - Male 3 1888 - Glamorgan, Wales
Elizabeth Ward Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Essex, England
Betsy Greaves Visitor - Female 31 1860 Dressmaker Yorkshire, England

First name(s) Ethel
Last name Ward
Birth year 1880
Birth date 27 Oct 1880
Baptism year 1880
Baptism date 17 Nov 1880
Baptism place Hull, St Matthew
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
County Yorkshire (East Riding)
Country England
Archive East Riding Archives & Local Studies Service
Archive reference E-PE148-1
Page 79
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
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Thank you ArgyllGran ;-) :-)

Glad it turned out to be the correct one Julie.

Dea x

Good guess, Dea! Well done!

I take it all back!

Doris was indeed ward birthdate 23/11/1915 her mother is down as Margaret Ward father unknown ,so I think Ellen and Francis must have taken Doris as their own ,maybe to already losing two children . :-)

Possible Sussex death for Ethel ??

Ethel Bennett
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Ethel Bennett
Death Age: 45
Birth Date: abt 1880
Registration Date: Jun 1925
Registration district: Steyning
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 338

Just curious - am I missing something?

Why pick on Doris Ward, rather than any of the many other Dorises registered in that quarter, with apparently unmarried mothers?

If it's because Ethel's ms was Ward, that 's only relevant if Ethel and Francis separated between 1911 and 1915, she reverted to her maiden surname, and then had a child by another man.
And if that was the case, why would Doris start calling herself Bennett later? Unless she was brought up by Francis - which seems unlikely if he wasn't her father and he was no longer with Ethel.

Anyway, both Julie and the Ancestry tree say Francis was Doris's father, by another relationship.
So it's most likely that her birth was registered in her mother's ms (as already suggested by RG) , which could be anything. Big coincidence if it was the same as Ethel's.


Other Dorises (in last qr 1915):

BADGER Doris Badger Walsall 6b 1147
BERESFORD Doris Beresford Rotherham 9c 1300
BROWN Doris Brown Blackburn 8e 526
BULL Doris Bull Wisbech 3b 846
Coe Doris Coe Sheffield 9c 1022
COLLIER Doris COLLIER Leigh 8c 405
COLMAN Doris COLMAN Chester le S. 10a 968
Cresswell Doris Cresswell Northwich 8a 400
ELLIOTT Doris ELLIOTT Tynemouth 10b 473
FOUND Doris Found Holsworthy 5b 690
GOYMER Doris Goymer Norwich 4b 163
HARGREAVES Doris HARGREAVES Burnley 8e 327
Jackson Doris Jackson Burnley 8e 294
Mason Doris Mason Doncaster 9c 1594
McClelland Doris McCelland Pancras 1b 156
Miller Doris Miller Wolverhampton 6b 954
Pickering Doris Pickering Ashby Z 7a 178
Piggins Doris Piggins Middlesbro' 9d 1072
ROBERTS Doris Roberts Easington 10a 833
Rumsby Doris Rumsby Whitehaven 10b 1174
Scott Doris Scott Newcastle T 10b 152
Sherrington Doris Sherrington Wandsworth 1d 1162
Smith Doris Smith Dewsbury 9b 888
Sorsby Doris Sorsby Sheffield 9c 1045
Speed Doris Speed Chester 8a 569
Taylor Doris Taylor Lambeth 1d 484

Haven't looked at 1st qr 1916 for other possibles. Listing the above is geeky enough!

Let us know how you get on please Julie :-)

I have sent off for certificates so hopefully they might help but Doris is still a mystery :-)

A late november birth may not appear till the quartley index the following year,now as then a 42 day or 6 weeks was given for registration and then sometimes it made it into the second quarter the following year,
So 1916 is worth a look.

both are agents.!both have different named wifes.and both married 7 years.!


Bennett Francis Stephen 1879 — 1901 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Spitalfields, Whitechapel, London, England
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Bennett Francis Stephen 1875 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Whitchurch, Hampshire, England
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Bennett Francis Stephen 1879 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Bournemouth, Christchurch, Hampshire, England

Thank you for replying, I am finding Doris's birth certificate hard to find her birthday was 23 november1915 so it might be worth me getting the Doris Ward one . You have both given me lots regarding Francis and Ethel as I had really hit a brick wall with my grandmother Doris :-)

Cheek of them Mel ! Do they think you've nothing better to do than entertain them on a Saturday evening lol :-)

Francis claims to be a widower in 1939 so Ethel must have died but I'm not picking out an obvious death for her.

Sorry someone called in and stayed for ages.

Well that Doris Ward is reg in the right quarter if her birthday was on 26 Nov 1915.

First name(s) WINIFRED
Last name COLLINS
Gender Female
Birth day 6
Birth month 3
Birth year 1906
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1982
District Haywards Heath
County Sussex
Volume 18
Page 1862
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Winifred seems to have married in Sussex and this seems to be her in 1939.

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Collins Household (3 People)
6 Pelham Square , Brighton C.B., Sussex, England

Winifred Collins
DOB 06 Mar 1906
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 172
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER2

Nicholas A Collins
DOB 18 Mar 1913
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Cook
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 172
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Sorry, this record is officially closed.

There is a Doris Ward born in 1915 but not in the same area ??

Births Dec 1915
Ward Doris Ward Wandsworth 1d 1116


Dea x