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Well spotted AG!

There were possible remarriages for some of the others, but difficult in some instances to tell if the later marriages might have been offspring of the earlier ones, if you know what I mean.

George Ernest Robins
in the Surrey, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: George Ernest Robins
Baptism Date: 28 Jul 1902
Baptism Place: Croydon, Holy Saviour, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Croydon, St Saviour
Mother: Louisa Robins



Geo Ernest Norvell
in the London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Name: Geo Ernest Norvell
Age: 6
Birth Date: 21 Jul 1901
Admission Date: 6 Jul 1908
School: Holy Trinity School
Father: Geo Thom Norvell
Notes: Holy Trinty School (0228) opened in or before 1887

??

George Ernest Norvell
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: George Ernest Norvell
Electoral Date: 1930
Ward or Division/Constituency: Lewisham
County or Borough: Lewisham, England

Address: The Gable House, Lawrie Park Avenue, Sydenham.

At the same address:

William Frederick Atkin
Margaret Phyllis Hannah Atkin
Eileen Doris Atkin
Ruth Davis


I think George Norvell and Ruth Davis were just lodgers with the Atkins.

In 1901 and 1911 the Atkins family were living in Blackpool.
Eileen was born 1902, mmn Marsh.

On the birth certificate the father is blank,maiden surname of mother
Edith Norvelle Domestic Servant of 121 Croydon road penge U.D my father was born
at County Hospital Farnborough Orpington U.D on the 11th of July 1940 named John Norvelle. Registered on the 11th of October.

Thanks for coming back Wayne.

Shame the address and occupation don't match with Edith Norvell in 1939 register, though my gut feeling is that she is indeed, the Edith Norvelle on the birth register. Seems too coincidental they were 'both' living in Penge, one year apart...

Thankyou for your help this information is very welcome

The DoB of Anthony Rex Burrows (from his death reg) was 22/12/1937, so probably registered JFM1938

Registered in Aylesbury, as already mentioned, though I didn't post the record.
Here it is now:

Births Mar 1938 (>99%)
Norvell Anthony R Norvell Aylesbury 3a 1898

Sorry, just noticed your earlier post AG…….. ;-) ;-)

Going back to the record AG posted,

Thomas Chapell Norvoll
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Thomas Chapell Norvoll
Electoral Date: 1919
Street Address: 20 Denmark Grove
Ward or Division/Constituency: Islington
County or Borough: Islington, England

Looks like the right guy, as tallies with this birth in Barnet (census 1911) and dob of 1881 (1939 register)

EDIT, but now wondering if it was actually George Thomas Chappell Norvell's father, Thomas Chappell Norvell, as per records below.

NORVELL, GEORGE THOMAS CHAPPELL BAKER
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in BARNET Volume 03A Page 195


Marriage of parents?

Marriages Dec 1877
Baker Rose Ipswich 4a 1287
Norvell Thomas Chappell Ipswich 4a 1287


George Thomas C Norvell with parents in 1891?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Porthcawe Road, Lewisham, London & Kent, England

Thomas C Norvell Head Married Male 38 1853 Law clerk London, Middlesex, England
Rose Norvell Wife Married Female 41 1850 - -
George Norvell Son Male 9 1882 Scholar -
Jessie Norvell Daughter- Female 6 1885 Scholar -
Florence Norvell Daughter- Female 4 1887 - -


This looks like the birth of Thomas Chappell Novell c1853.

NORVELL, THOMAS CHAPELL FORSYTH
GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in CLERKENWELL Volume 01B Page 447

Marriage of his parents

Name: William Chapell Norvell<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Feb 1849
Marriage Place: St Pancras Parish Chapel, Camden, England
Father:
George Chapell Norvell<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse:
Sarah Ann Forsyth<<<<<<<
Register Type: Parish Register

The groom is an [illegible] maker. Father George Chapell Norvell was a currier.

EDIT: I think the groom is a watchmaker see adult baptism below

Image says born 14th April 1827, also says he is a watchmaker

Name: William Chappel Norvell
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 21 Jan 1863
Baptism Place: St Philip, Clerkenwell, Islington, England
Father:
George Chappel Norvell<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother:
Mary Ann Norvell<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Register Type: Parish Register

121 croydon road household members 1939 register
Geraldine E Dick born 01/02/1865 Domestic duties retired
George P Dick born 08/041866 Barrister retired
Thomas Poole born 1871 Engineer Shaper
Margaret Horman born 07/05/1893 Housemaid
Elizabeth M Watts widow born 15/02 1898 Housekeeper
Clarence E R Giles born 16/121901 Manager (j walls shon ltd)
Majority J Giles born 29/10/1911 Shop Assitant
James Gilwon born 17/03/1912 Compositer
William H Dodson born 13/05/1913 Bank clerk
Christal G Watts born 01/12/1917 Waitress
May Clements born 14/05/1920 Housemaid

Looking at that 1939 Croydon Road household, I would guess it was some sort of boarding house.

FMP has different order of residents:

Elizabeth Mary Denley (Watts) 15 Feb 1898 Female Housekeeper Widowed 169 1
Christal G Nash (Watts) 01 Dec 1917 Female Waitress Single 169 2
Clarence E R Giles 16 Dec 1901 Male Manager (J Walls & Sons Limited) Married 169 3
Marjorie J Wilson (Giles,Dunbar,Read) 29 Oct 1911 Female Shop Assistant Married 169 4
May Pigden (Clements) 14 May 1920 Female Housemaid Single 169 5
Thomas Poole 01 Oct 1871 Male Engineer Shaper Married 169 6
George P Dick 08 Apr 1866 Male Barrister C I E Government Advocate Retired Married 169 7
Geraldine E Dick 01 Feb 1865 Female Domestic Duties (Retired) Married 169 8
William H Dodson 13 May 1913 Male Bank Clerk Single 169 9
Margaret Herman 07 May 1893 Female Housemaid Single 169 10
James Gilmour 17 Mar 1912 Male Compositor Single 169 11

I assumed widowed Elizabeth Mary Watts and probable daughter Christal had taken in lodgers, possibly to make ends meet?

Christal Watts' mother was a Harrison, so no immediate family connection leaps out.

Births Mar 1918 Watts Christal O Harrison Uxbridge 3a 65

Can't immediately locate a marriage of an Elizabeth M Harrison to a Mr Watts.

Only possibilities, did she get the urge to marry later in life?


Marriages Mar 1968
NORVELL EDITH THOMPSON CROYDON 5A 2212
THOMPSON WALTER F NORVELL CROYDON 5A 2212

and then again?


Marriages Sep 1973
DREZINS VALENTINE THOMPSON CROYDON 5A 2508
THOMPSON EDITH DREZINS CROYDON 5A 2508


and her death? (date of birth tallies with Edith Nevell in 1939 register - which ties with the 1920 birth mmn Robins)

Name: Edith Drezins
Death Age: 79
Birth Date: 23 Oct 1920<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date: Jun 2000
Registration District: Eastbourne
Inferred County: East Sussex
Register Number: C47E
District and Subdistrict: 4541C
Entry Number: 87

also

Name: Mrs Edith Drezins
Gender: Female
Age: 80
Birth Date: 23 Oct 1920<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Last Residence: Polegate, East Sussex, England
Postal Code District: Bn26
Death Date: 22 Jun 2000

Not including the birth of John Norvelle, there are three Norvell births mmn Norvell, in Bromley RD, between 1940 & 1947, one girl and two boys.

AG has already posted one of them, the others can be found on freebmd, one is the same quarter as John Norvelle was born.

It would seem that at least two of them, possibly all three, are attributable to Winifred Norvell, Edith's sister.

A piece entitled 'Paternity order' in Norwood News 23rd May 1947

"Saying that if he was the responsible person he would admit it as he had done before Thomas George Crawford , Weighton Road, Anerley at Penge on Friday denied paternity of the youngest child of Winifred Norvell, Beverley Rd, Anerley.

Miss Norvell said there was an order against the defendant in respect of her eldest child. She went to Crawford's house twice in May of last year. He sent her 5 shillings later in the year.

Complainant's father George Thomas Norvell stated he had heard Crawford admit paternity.

Crawford was ordered to pay 10 shillings a week"


EDIT:

Have forwarded clippings of this article,together with one where soldier Harold Norvell drops in on married sister Ethel Dumbrell and glass gets broken (1935), one where Bessie Norvell goes shoplifting with father George (1937), and one where Albert James gets accused of receiving stolen goods (1958), to Wayne by pm. Also a photo of a mysterious missing 18 yr old Miss Norvell of Penge in 1922, who may be Florence?

2nd EDIT.

Seems the missing girl almost certainly was Florence, as when it was reported she was charged, aged 21, with stealing a purse in Huddersfield in 1925, it was mentioned that she had run away twice, from her respectable family in London..

3rd EDIT

When Bessie Norvell & father George were accused of shoplifting in 1937, their partner in crime was one Joseph Wilfred Burrows, who as AG posted previously, married Bessie's sister, Florence Norvell, and ended up adopting Anthony R Norvell, who became Anthony Rex Burrows

Lots of good stuff there, Kucinta.

"Respectable family" sounds like defence-lawyer-speak, given the general family history!

I, too, am sure that Edith 1920 is Wayne's grandmother.
Perhaps she had to give up her factory job when she was pregnant, either at her employer's demand, or else because the work was too strenuous, but managed to find domestic work.

Same feeling here, AG. Also, not sure whether they simply lived there, or also worked there, but there was more than one housemaid, ie domestic servant, at 121 Croydon Rd in 1939.

Thankyou for all your good work I am planning on visiting the public records at kew so this research is amazing thankyou I didn't know where to start .

The other, more unlikely candidate for Edith 'Norvelle', that AG found and posted, was this one.

Births Dec 1912 Norvell Edith A Smith Halifax 9a 672

but she appears to have eliminated herself by getting married before 1940.

(though just to make things complicated, Edith and her spouse are badly transcribed on different pages...)

Name: Edith A Norvell<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date: Jul 1935
[Aug 1935]
[Sep 1935]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Halifax<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Spouse: Bileliff<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Volume Number: 9c
Page Number: 1213



Name: Bernard Bilcliff<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date: Jul 1935
[Aug 1935]
[Sep 1935]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Halifax
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Spouse: Norvell<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Volume Number: 9a
Page Number: 1215

Name: Eduth Annie Nowell
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Aug 1935
Marriage Place: Halifax, St Mary, West Yorkshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Halifax, St Mary

Father: James Alped Nowell
Spouse: Banard Bilcliff <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Edith Annie Norvell, , aged 22, Worsted worker on the image, father James Alfred NORVELL, a joiner. Spouse Bernard Bilcliff, a 29 yr old machine moulder.

Sadly, she died in 1937

Probate
Name: Edith Annie Bilcliff
Death Date: 7 Dec 1936
Death Place: Sheffield, England
Probate Date: 1 Jan 1937
Probate Registry: Wakefield

Admin to husband Bernard Bilcliff

Name: Edith A Bilcliff
Death Age: 24
Birth Date: abt 1912<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date: Oct 1936
[Nov 1936]
[Dec 1936]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 661

Well things have certainly moved on :-D