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Hi Glenn
I thought from previous research that the George in Jersey was in fact called Dunell and not Durrell.
It's on one of your many previous threads about George.

PM from Glenn:

Yes i believe this to be correct.It is her farther whom i`m trying to trace.

Yes, I realise that, Glenn, but sometimes it helps to look at other members of the family.

If Mary Ann Lee is Charlotte's mother, she must have only been 15/16 when she was born, so very young to have married - not impossible then - and she is shown just as Mary in the marriage index.

Hi Astra,it could be Durrell,i found him on this site,he is aprox the same age and went to Jersy some time in 1871.
Hope all is well your end.
Regards,
Glenn

I think, with the greatest of respect Glenn that we proved before that it was Dunell.


The name appears to be Dunell and not Durrell unfortunately.

Mary A. Dunell
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George Dunell
Gender: Female
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: St Brelade
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street Address: Le Roux House
Household Members: Name Age
George Dunell 45>>>>Baker
Mary A. Dunell 40
William Dunell 17
John Dunell 14
Edmund Dunell 3
George Collice 18

Someone has made an alteration to the 1891 so it would appear that the name is definitely Dunell and Find my Past have transcribed it wrongly in 1871. On Ancestry in 1871 it is Dunell and reads as such on the original
Mary A Surrell
[Mary A Dunell]
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George Surrell
Gender: Female
Where born: St. Brelade, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: St Brelade
Ecclesiastical parish: St Brelade
Town: St Aubin
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Jersey
Sub-registration district: H
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Surrell 55
Mary A Surrell 49
John Surrell 23
Edmond Surrell 13
Clifford Surrell 7

1901
Living next door to son John who is now a baker
Mary Ann Danell
[Mary Ann Dunell]
Age in 1901: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Gender: Female
Where born: St. Brelade, Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil parish: St Brelade
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aubin
Town: St Aubin
County/Island: Jersey
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Danell 60
Edmond Danell 23
Clifford Danell 17



George Dunell was born in Somerset. In 1861 he is in Jersey living with his brother Elias (a butcher) and his wife.

Hi Astra,thankyou.
I will keep this as a reference so i don`t go over old ground.
I know it might sound daft but if you get a moment can you look for me to see when Thomas Owen re-appeared on the census forms after his death, because it was brought to my attention that it`s possible that george could have taken his name.I have to look at every option.
So gratefull for your time and help.
Yours in success
Glenn Ford.

Dear Friends,
a couple of bits that have come my way .
I am told that on the 1861 census when George is living with his farther his wife Mary Durrell is a visitor at her uncle John Jacksons home,John Jackson sister is Charlotte Jackson my gt gt gt grandmother.John has a daughter who marries Alfred Smith who... is wait for it... a ships steward,so my George`s cousin`s hubby is a ships steward and Georges wife is visiting him.
Can this be confirmed.

Also there is also possibility that George could have emigrated to OZ and became a chief steward on the Alexandra Ship.
There is a lot of to-ing and fro-ing on the ship from Adelaide and other ports in Oz to Sydney from 1871 through to 1890.Mrs G DURRELL arrives in sydney in 1884 It was well documented i am told that men left there wife's to seek a better life abroad and the wife Joined years later

Can anyone confirm.
Yours in success
Glenn

Dear Genes Experts,
Still looking for George Durrell and wondered if he dropped his first name and went under Charles Durrell.
As you can probably tell it`s been a long time, trying to trace his death.
Any help as always,will be most welcomed.
Thankyou.

Hi all,
Still desperate to find info regarding George Durrell,mainly on his passing.Can any one offer info relating to my search.
Happy new year to you all,
Glenn.

Glenn, I recently read part of the diary of a vicar from the late 19th century.

In it, he recorded a surprising number of burials of unidentified bodies - people who were perhaps further afield than their normal home area and had been involved in an accident or some other sudden death. People may have taken ill and died suddenly in woods, a field, river or whatever. Bearing in mind that people back then wouldn't be carrying driving licences, credit cards, or other ID etc and with communication back then not being what it is now it's easy to see how it could possibly happen.

I always bear this in mind when unable to find a death.

Hi All,
I know this may be boring now, but i would love to gain death info regarding George Durrell,my gt gt grandfarther who has become a complete mystery to me
It has been brought to my attention that he could have been a Freemason so wondered if there were any masons who could check in the London archives from roughly 1853 till his unknown passing,to see if this is the case as he was a brickmaker from Portsea and i believe this would have been a trade where ecceptance was top of the list.
Hope you can help,
G Ford.

Still looking for the right George Durrell to help me find some closure on my search for his death.Any snippet of info would be most welcomed.
Thankyou.

this doesn't help the seach for George Durrell -

however I think this is Charlotte Durrell with her mother Mary, living with William Rather in 1861

1861 England Census

Name:Charlotte Rather

Age:8

Estimated birth year:1853

Relation:Daughter

Father's Name:William Rather

Mother's name:Mary Rather

Gender:Female

Where born:Portsea, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish:Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish:St Paul
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England

Registration district:Portsea Island
Sub-registration district:Landport
ED, institution, or vessel:29
Household schedule number:5
Piece:643
Folio:27
Page Number:1

William Rather 38 born Doncaster, Blacksmith
Mary Rather 32
Charlotte Rather 8 born Portsea

here they are in 1881

1881 England Census

Name:William Ruther

Age:61

Estimated birth year:abt 1820

Relationship to Head:Head

Spouse:Mary Ruther

Gender:Male

Where born:Doncaster, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish:Portsea
County/Island:Hampshire
Country:England

Street address:17 Landport View

Marital Status:Married

Occupation:General Laborer

Registration district:Portsea Island
Sub-registration district:Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel:7
Piece:1140
Folio:6
Page Number:5

William Ruther 61
Mary Ruther 48
Mary Jane Ruther 18
Lizzie Ruther 11

also in the same household, (but mis-transcribed as with the Lee family also living there}

>>>>>Charlotte Durrell (stated to be 'daughter in law' of Wm Rather) aged 27 born Portsmouth

(step children often referred to as 'in-laws')




Few scenarios - as haven't found a marriage for William Rather and Mary Durrell

1. William Rather was married to someone else
2. George Durrell was still alive somewhere

Just to let you know,i am still trying hard to find any info, how ever large or small on my gt gt grand farther George Durrell,
I have a George Durrell who died in Edmonton area June q 1873 and a George according to 1871 census , who went to Jersey and fits the age.
Would also like to get info on Richard Bunday who died June q 1915 St Olave? who may be the husband of Charlotte Bunday nee Durrell ,my gt grandmother,to confirm if he drowned,as i`ve been told.
Thankyou for reading.
Glenn.

Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
Bunday Richard Portsea 2b 852
Durrell Charlotte Elizabeth Portsea 2b 852

Deaths Jun 1915 (>99%)
BUNDAY Richard 59 St.Olave 1d 212

this must be his birth
Births Dec 1857 (>99%)
Bunday Richard Sunderland 10a 376

This is possibly the Richard Bunday that drowned (died at sea):

GRO MARINE DEATHS INDICES (1903 to 1965) Transcription
First name(s) RICHARD
Last name BUNDAY
Gender Male
Age 61
Birth year 1854
Death year 1915
Vessel THE MACBAIN
Page 98
Record source GRO Marine Death Indices (1903 to 1965)
Record set British nationals died overseas 1818-2005
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Listed again here:
Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Transcription
First name(s) Richard
Last name Bunday
Gender Male
Death year 1915
Death date 5 Apr 1915
Reported date 1914
Vessel name The Macbain
Series BT 334
Box 0063
Service Crew
Record set Deaths at sea, 1781-1968

EDIT: Article below suggests drowning at London Docks, so maybe not this one.

Oh, hold on, just found an article- will send it to you:

Portsmouth Evening News - Wednesday 05 July 1939

Recording the death of Charlotte's daughter, Mabel Bunday:-

"...The dead woman's father was drowned in London docks 24 years ago"

Not sure if this is the correct death as his date of birth is given as 1864 Durham but on closer inspection his age is given as 61on the original image not 51 so doesn't that make his birth 1854! it has been wrongly transcribed.
Address given as 8 Hertford Street Portsmouth. Have sent you the original image by PM.

This taken from Deaths at Sea.


First name(s)
Richard

Last name
Bunday

Gender
Male

Birth year
1864

Birth date
1864

Birth place
Durham

Death year
1915

Death date
5 Apr 1915

Age
51

Vessel name
The Macbain

Departure port
-

County
LONDON

Series
BT 334

Box
0065

Page
4

Record set
Deaths at sea, 1781-1968

Category
Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Subcategory
Deaths & burials

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Doesn't look like George wanted to stick around, having been sent to gaol for a months hard labour for neglecting his wife and child:

George Durrell

England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935 Transcription
name(s) George Durrell
Date 17 Nov 1853
Prisoner location Portsmouth
Sentence type Prison
Sentence duration 1M
Series HO13
Source Correspondence and Warrants
Piece number 103
Page number 18

The Governor of the Borough Gaol, Portsmouth: To discharge George Durrell who was committed on the 5th Inst to Portsmouth Gl for one month for neglecting to maintain his family.
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Source Home Office: Criminal Petitions: Series II

The Humble Memorial of George Durrell, now a prisoner confined in the gaol for the borough of Portsmouth

George Durrell...is by trade a brickmaker residing in the borough of Portsmouth aforesaid- that he has the misfortune of having a very drunken and dissolute wife- That in consequence of his refusal to support his said wife and child he was committed to ...gaol for one months imprisonment with hard labour...He has since made an arrangement with the officers of the parish of Portsea for the future maintenance of his wife and child... and humbly prays that under the above circumstances Her Majesty will be pleased to order his immediate release.