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BurgessRae
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24 Sep 2024 23:04 |
Thank you so much. Especially those immigration records look very promising. I agree "John Smith" defniitely one of the harder families to trace.
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ArgyllGran
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24 Sep 2024 18:14 |
Edward Dash in the 1881 England Census Name Edward Dash Age 70 Estimated Birth Year abt 1811 Relationship to Head Lodger Gender Male Where born Patching, Sussex, England Civil parish Angmering County/Island Sussex Country England Street Address Cow Inn Marital Status Widower Occupation Ag Lab Registration district East Preston ED, institution, or vessel 4 Neighbors Piece 1119 Folio 66 Page number 4 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship James Diaper 50 Head Sarah Diaper 58 Wife Mary Parsons 4 Niece Alice Ford 11 Servant Edward Dash 70 Lodger Henry Green 22 Lodger
Edward Sash in the 1891 England Census Name Edward Sash Gender Male Age 82 Relationship Inmate Birth Year 1809 Birth Place Patching, Sussex, England Civil parish East Preston Residence Place East Preston, Sussex, England Registration district East Preston Sub registration district Littlehampton ED, Institution or Vessel East Preston Union Workhouse Neighbors Piece 838 Folio 167 Household Members (Name) Age
Deaths Sep 1891 (>99%) Dash Edward 86 E. Preston 2b 198
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24 Sep 2024 17:59 |
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Bakers Row, Angmering, East Preston, Sussex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Ann Dash Head - Female 84 1787 Ag lab Warning Camp, Sussex, England Edward Dash Son - Male 61 1810 School master Patching, Sussex, England
Edward has not risen to Schoolmaster since 1861 - the original shows him as an Ag. Lab. !
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24 Sep 2024 17:56 |
Bad writing on original - knowing it could be Dash, I can see Dash
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Ham Lane, Angmering, Worthing, Sussex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Dart Head Married Male 80 1781 Agricultural labourer Denton, Sussex, England Ann Dart Wife Married Female 74 1787 Agricultural labourers wife Warminghurst, Sussex, England Edward Dart Son Married Male 52 1809 Agricultural labourer Patching, Sussex, England
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24 Sep 2024 17:55 |
?? Burials - John Dash abt 1775 20 Feb 1863 Angmering (Original - aged 88 of Angmering) Ann Dash abt 1786 27 Dec 1871 Angmering (Original - age 85 of Angmering)
David Dash abt 1829 14 Oct 1851 Angmering (Original - aged 22 of Angmering)
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24 Sep 2024 17:30 |
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Clapham next village to Patching. Ancestry cites the 1841 census posted above as the family
John Dash in the West Sussex, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name John Dash Event Type Marriage Marriage Date 4 Aug 1806 Marriage Place Clapham, Sussex, England Spouse Ann Tuesley
West Sussex Record Office and West Sussex County Council
------------------------------- ?? Baptisms to the marriage apart from George 1819 posted separately
Edward Dash 22 Jul 1810 Patching, Sussex Thomas Dash 20 Dec 1812 Patching, Sussex Henry Dash 26 Mar 1815 Patching John,Anne William Dash 1 Jun 1817 Patching John,Anne
David Dash 7 Dec 1828 Angmering John, Ann Ann Dash 19 Jun 1831 Angmering John,Ann
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24 Sep 2024 16:48 |
?? 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Angmering, Worthing, Sussex, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place John Dash Male 60 1781 Sussex, England Ag. Lab Ann Dash Female 55 1786 Sussex, England Edward Dash Male 30 1811 Sussex, England James Dash Male 15 1826 Sussex, England David Dash Male 12 1829 Sussex, England Ann Dash Female 10 1831 Sussex, England
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greyghost
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24 Sep 2024 16:33 |
AG posted this earlier -
Name George Dash Gender Male Marriage Age 29 Record Type Marriage Birth Date abt 1820 Marriage Date 4 Nov 1849 Marriage Place Saint George The Martyr: Borough High Street, Southwark, England Father John Dash Spouse Ann Smith Register Type Parish Register
Further info from the original - Ann aged 24 a Spinster. George a Bachelor. George made his mark, Ann signed Both said to be residing at Adams Place at time of marriage. Witnesses were William Hoare and Mary Burkett (Possibly Ann's sister shown in the 1851 census
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greyghost
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24 Sep 2024 16:27 |
?? Patching under 4 miles from Angmering and both close to Arundel
George Dash in the West Sussex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920
Name George Dash Gender Male Baptism Date 17 Sep 1819 Baptism Place Patching, Sussex, England Parish as it Appears Patching Father John Dash Mother Anne Dash
From the original - Abode Patching, Father a Labourer
Ancestry suggests the 1851 census posted earlier is the same person and also links to the London marriage of George to Ann Smith
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24 Sep 2024 16:12 |
?? Australia, Inward, Outward & Coastal Passenger Lists 1826-1972 New South Wales, Australia
First name(s) John Thomas Nationality/where born - Last name Smith Arrival year 1871 Sex Male Arrival date 27 Feb 1871 Year Of Birth - Seaman or passenger Passenger Age - Archive State Records Authority of New South Wales Vessel Macedon Year range 1871 Year 1871 Passage type New South Wales Unassisted Passenger Lists Departure port Melbourne Record set Australia, Inward, Outward & Coastal Passenger Lists 1826-1972 Destination Port Sydney, New South Wales Category Travel & migration State New South Wales Subcategory Passenger Lists Country Australia Collections from Australasia, Australia
It's a list of Passengers and crew of the Ship Macedon of Liverpool here sailing from Melbourne to Sydney
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First name(s) John T Nationality/where born - First name(s) as transcribed Jno T Arrival year 1869 Last name Smith Arrival date 22 Feb 1869 Sex Male Seaman or passenger Passenger Year Of Birth - Archive State Records Authority of New South Wales Age - Year range 1869 Vessel City Of Brisbane Passage type New South Wales Unassisted Passenger Lists Year 1869 Record set Australia, Inward, Outward & Coastal Passenger Lists 1826-1972 Departure port Brisbane Category Travel & migration Destination Port Sydney, New South Wales Subcategory Passenger Lists State New South Wales Collections from Australasia, Australia Country Australia
Ship registered in Sydney (but all crew registered as British)
Nothing further to identify for certain - age, occupations not recorded.
Otherwise too many John Smiths. No Surname Dash
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Jink20
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24 Sep 2024 15:42 |
Australia, Inward, Outward & Coastal Passenger Lists 1826-1972 Australasia
First name(s) George D Last name Smith Arrival port Melbourne Arrival month May Birth year 1841 State Victoria Age 22 Country Australia Ship name Roxburgh Castle Arrival year 1863 Nationality English Database Title Victoria Inward Passenger Lists 1839-1923 Departure port London Record set Australia, Inward, Outward & Coastal Passenger Lists 1826-1972 Departure country England Category Travel & migration Subcategory Passenger Lists Collections from Australasia, Australia, England, Great Britain
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24 Sep 2024 10:54 |
Presume the Burchett/Smith marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1841 (>99%) BEDFORD Paul Austen Chichester 7 395 BURCHETT William Chichester 7 395 Grout Septimus Chichester 7 395 REILLY Catherine Frances Daahwood Eustace Chichester 7 395 REILLY Catherine Frances Dashwood Eustace Chichester 7 395 SMITH Mary Chichester 7 395 TRIGGS Mary Chichester 7 395
and birth of the son William Thomas late in the marriage -
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: BURCHETT, WILLIAM THOMAS SMITH SMITH GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in CHICHESTER Volume 02B Page 304
Seems the family liked to include Smith in the children's names
----------------------- 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Halnaker, Boxgrove, Westhampnett, Sussex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Burchett Head Married Male 32 1819 Baker & grocer Sussex, England Mary Burchett Wife Married Female 27 1824 - Arundel, Sussex, England Ellen Smith Wifes sister - Female 13 1838 - Arundel, Sussex, England
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greyghost
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24 Sep 2024 10:43 |
Have you asked about the family before - looking on FMP for George Dash junior in 1861 - all possible entries show as ticked for previous search.
Checking for George Smith born Arundel - here he is in 1861 listed as nephew
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census St Pancras Street, St Pancras, Chichester, Sussex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place William Burchett Head Married Male 42 1819 Baker employing 1 man Littlehampton, Sussex, England Mary Burchett Wife Married Female 37 1824 Bakers wife Arundel, Sussex, England William Thomas Smith Burchett Son - Male 2 1859 - Chichester, Sussex, England George Dash Smith Nephew - Male 16 1845 Baker journeyman Arundel, Sussex, England
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BurgessRae
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24 Sep 2024 09:33 |
Thank you. Yes that is the family. I can't quite work out why John Thomas Smith Dash dropped the Dash when he went to Australia, as he was born after George Snr and Anne Smith got married. John Smith is a very hard name to trace.
We know George Smith (Dash) arrived between 1861 - 1865 because he is in the 1861 Census in England but married Margaret O'Connor in Australia in 1865.
John Thomas Smith (Dash) married Harriet Whitney in 1874. I can't find him in the 1871 England Census so it is possible they came together.
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ArgyllGran
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24 Sep 2024 09:03 |
Ann's sister Ellen's baptism:
Ellen Smith in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name Ellen Smith Gender Female Baptism Date 25 Mar 1838 Baptism Place Arundel, Sussex, England Father Thomas Smith Mother Jane FHL Film Number 1040971 Reference ID item 2
Ann's baptism:
Anne Smith in the West Sussex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920 Name Anne Smith Gender Female Baptism Date 20 Aug 1826 Baptism Place Arundel, Sussex, England Parish as it Appears Arundel Father Thomas Smith, labourer Mother Jane Smith
Interestingly, Ann's baptism was performed by John Morris, DD, Rector of Elstree, Herts But Rev Morris had no apparent family or Sussex connection to the Smiths, per a tree on Ancestry and some records. Maybe in Arundel as locum, or on holiday . (Did vicars have holidays in those days ?! )
Other siblings' baptisms:
Elizabeth Smith in the West Sussex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920 Name Elizabeth Smith Gender Female Baptism Date 5 Apr 1829 Baptism Place Arundel, Sussex, England Parish as it Appears Arundel Father Thomas Smith Mother Jane Smith
William Grinsted Smith in the West Sussex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920 Name William Grinsted Smith Baptism Date 6 Mar 1842 Baptism Place Arundel, Sussex, England Parish as it Appears Arundel Father Thomas Smith, carrier Mother Jane Smith
Parents' marriage:
Thomas Smith in the West Sussex, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936 Name Thomas Smith Marital Status Single Record Type Marriage Marriage Date 5 Dec 1820 Marriage Place Shipley, Sussex, England Parish as it Appears Shipley Spouse Jane Grinsled (her mark)
Witnesses: Richard Grinsted (his mark) & John Tomson
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ArgyllGran
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24 Sep 2024 08:44 |
John Thomas's baptism - after Ann's death:
John Thomas Smith Dash in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name John Thomas Smith Dash Gender Male Baptism Date 27 May 1855 Baptism Place Arundel, Sussex, England Father George Dash Mother Ann FHL Film Number 1040971 Reference ID item 2
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ArgyllGran
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24 Sep 2024 08:42 |
Young George's baptism - before the 1849 marriage:
George Dash Smith in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name George Dash Smith Gender Male Baptism Date 26 May 1844 Baptism Place Arundel, Sussex, England Mother Ann Smith - "single woman" FHL Film Number 1040971 Reference ID item 2
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ArgyllGran
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24 Sep 2024 08:38 |
Ann with parents and siblings in 1841 (all born in Sussex):
Ann Smith in the 1841 England Census Name Ann Smith Age 15 Estimated Birth Year abt 1826 Gender Female Where born Sussex, England Civil parish Arundel Hundred Arundel County/Island Sussex Country England Registration district Worthing Sub-registration district Arundel Neighbors Piece 1089 Book 1 Folio 11 Page number 15 Household Members (Name) Age Thos Smith 45 - carrier Jane Smith 40 Ann Smith 15 Elizabeth Smith 12 George Smith 8 Ellen Smith 3
Address: High Street, Arundel
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ArgyllGran
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24 Sep 2024 08:35 |
Probably Ann's death:
DASH, ANN 24 GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in WORTHING Volume 07 Page 413
Anne Dash in the England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 Name Anne Dash Gender Female Death Date abt 1851 Burial Date 8 Nov 1851 Burial Place Arundel, Sussex, England FHL Film Number 1040971 Reference ID item 2
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ArgyllGran
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24 Sep 2024 08:30 |
George (senior) in 1841:
George Dash in the 1841 England Census Name George Dash Age 20 Estimated Birth Year abt 1821 Gender Male Where born Sussex, England Civil parish Arundel Hundred Arundel County/Island Sussex Country England Registration district Worthing Sub-registration district Arundel Neighbors Piece 1089 Book 2 Folio 7 Page number 6 Household Members (Name) Age John Pope 75 Elizabeth Jones 40 George Dash 20 - MS
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