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Daniel Alcock 1876

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Aug 2024 18:41

I wonder if anyone can find any trace of this child after 1886, please?
I suspect it's another brick wall, but thought I'd ask.


In August 1886, the vicar of Sibford Ferris and neighbouring villages, Oxfordshire, wrote in his diary:

"Police Constable Justice. . . . told me that on Sunday night there was some disorder at Sibford Ferris by some young fellows who had been “lubelling” John Holtom and his concubine for ill-treating Daniel Alcock, a bastard son of John Holtom’s late wife who lived with them.
It appears the woman charged the child with stealing a penny and on Saturday evening spoke to the policeman about it. The child ran away and remained out till late. On Sunday they tied him up to a bench in the workshop and placed an open bible before him, giving him only bread and water.
The boys heard of this and threatened to pull the place down if they did not set the child free and treat him better.
Mr Oddie told me afterwards that Holtom “ran for his life” and took shelter in Austin Hillman’s cottage. The first Mr. Oddie saw or heard of the matter was Holtom jumping or being hurled with force out of Hillman’s cottage. The women there had kicked or pushed him out and he was using fearful language.
. . . Mr. Oddie’s remonstrances and the indignation of the boys had a good effect on the treatment of the child. I afterwards spoke to Holtom and the child separately and together and found that matters were improving, for the child told me he had enough to eat and had his food with the other children.
Holtom and his woman had, forsooth! formerly made the child take his meals apart from the others as being a “bastard”. . . . .
. But Miss Capper took the matter up and got the child admitted into Dr. Barnado’s Home at Ilford.
Mr. Oddie told her he thought she had done an unwise thing as Holtom was responsible for, and quite able to maintain the boy; and that she must expect his example to be followed by others who wanted to get children taken into Dr. Barnado’s or other Homes."

And later, in September 1886:

"Met John Holtom and the boy Daniel Alcock. The man said Miss Capper was trying to get the boy into some school in London – Dr Barnardo’s, I am told. I gave both of them good advice."



John Holtom had married Jane Alcock in 1879, but she died in 1880.

Daniel's birth:

ALCOCK, DANIEL -
GRO Reference: 1876 J Quarter in BANBURY Volume 03A Page 769


Here is Daniel with his widowed father in 1881:

Daniel Alcock
in the 1881 England Census
Name Daniel Alcock
Age 4
Estimated Birth Year abt 1877
Relationship to Head Step Son
Gender Male
Where born Sibford Gower, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish Swalcliffe
County/Island Oxfordshire
Country England
Occupation Scholar
Registration district Banbury
ED, institution, or vessel 9
Neighbors
Piece 1525
Folio 30
Page number 3
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Holtom 52 Head
Mary J. Holtom 4 Granddaughter
Daniel Alcock 4 Step Son
Jane Castle 33 Housekeeper

Jane Castle, the "housekeeper", is the "concubine" in question.

She married John Holtom in 1889:

Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
Castle Jane Banbury 3a 1514
Holtom John Banbury 3a 1514


John and Jane in 1891, with children born before the marriage:

John Holtom
in the 1891 England Census
Name John Holtom
Gender Male
Age 62
Relationship Head
Birth Year 1829
Spouse
Jane Holtom
Child
Kate Emma Holtom
John Henry Holtom
Birth Place Sibford Ferris, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish Sibford Ferris
Residence Place Sibford Ferris, Sibford Ferris, Oxfordshire, England
Registration district Banbury
Sub registration district Swalcliffe
ED, Institution or Vessel 9
Neighbors
Piece 1181
Folio 94
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Holtom 62 Head
Jane Holtom 40 Wife
Kate Emma Holtom 9 Daughter
John Henry Holtom 7 Son


CASTLE, JOHN HENRY HOLTOM -
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in BANBURY Volume 03A Page 819

CASTLE, KATE EMMA -
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in BANBURY Volume 03A Page 811

However, I can't see Daniel after he had presumably been handed over to Barnardos' in 1886.
Not in later censuses, nor a death, nor any emigration record.

Aged 10 or older, I expect he's unlikely to have been adopted.

Barnardo's records aren't cheap or easy to search.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Aug 2024 18:46

Ah, I may just have answered my own question.

??
Daniel Alcock
in the Canadian Immigrant Records, Part One
Name Daniel Alcock
Year of Record 1887
Occupation Arrived aboard the 'Parisian'
Source/Event Passenger List of Ships Arriving at the Port of Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Age 10


Daniel Awlcock
in the 1891 Census of Canada
Name Daniel Awlcock
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Age 14
Birth Year abt 1877
Birth Place England
Residence Date 1891
Residence Place Verulam, Victoria South, Ontario, Canada
Relation to Head Domestic
Religion Methodist
Number of Employees 1
Can Read Y
Can Write Y
French Canadian No
Father's Birth Place England
Mother's Birth Place England
Enumeration District 121
Page number 2
Neighbors
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
James Bick 36 Head
Elmia Eliza Jane Bick 33 Wife
Daniel Awlcock 14 Domestic

Kay????

Kay???? Report 12 Aug 2024 19:29

earch term(s)
6 result(s) found for "alcock","daniel".
Surname Given Name(s) Age Ship Year of Arrival Title of Record
ALCOCK Daniel 10 PARISIAN 1887
ALCOCK Daniel 10 PARISIAN 1887
ALCOCK Daniel 10 1887 W G Annesley, Peterborough. List of children brought out by Dr Barnardo in 1887.
ALCOCK Daniel Ups and Downs (magazine published by the Canadian Branch of Dr. Barnardo's Homes, Toronto), January 1897
ALCOCK Daniel Ups and Downs (magazine published by the Canadian Branch of Dr. Barnardo's Homes, Toronto), October 1899
ALCOCK Daniel Ups and Downs (magazine published by the Canadian Branch of Dr. Barnardo's Homes, Toronto), October 1899

Canadian Home Child database.

In ref to Daniel Alcock.

Surname: ALCOCK
Event: Commentary
Notes: Recently married. Has a farm of his own.
Record Title: Ups and Downs (magazine published by the Canadian Branch of Dr. Barnardo's Homes, Toronto), October 1899
Page Number: 17
Issue Number: 1
Volume Number: 5
Reference: Gene CS88 A1 U68, microfilm #2
Source: Library and Archives Canada
Database Item Number: 209633


One person has him on Ancestry but nothing beyond 1876/

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Aug 2024 22:37

Thanks for that, Kay????

Assuming all those 6 entries are for the same person:
The first Ups and Downs entry says "Entering the grocery business."
The second one is the one you posted - "Recently married. Has a farm of his own.".
The third one says "Came 12 years ago. Placed with Mr. James Black of Bobcaygen." [Ontario]

Bobcaygeon isn't far from Verulam, the residence place in the 1891 census posted above.


There doesn't seem to be any record of his marriage, or of him on a census after 1891, or his death.

But at least I know more than I did, and it seems the ill-treated little boy benefitted from having been removed from his father's "care".
Good for Miss Capper!

Kay????

Kay???? Report 13 Aug 2024 11:13

Name Daniel Alcott
Sex Male
Age 49 years
Birth Year (Estimated) 1877
Birthplace England
Arrival Date 1885
Marital Status Married
Race English
Relationship to Head of Household

Head of Household

Event Type Census
Event Date 1926
Event Place

Last Mountain, Mount Hope No. 279, Saskatchewan, Canada

Sub-District 21, 38
Sub-District Number Kelliher (Village)
Household Identifier 51
Line Number 20
Page Num




Daniel Alcott's Spouses and Children

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Elvira Alcott
Daughter
F
16 years
Saskatchewan, Canada

Jenny Alcott
Wife
F
47 years
Ontario, Canada

Jean Alcott
Daughter
F
6 years
Saskatchewan, Canada

Via -FamilySearch.

Buried with wife Jennie,,1879---1929.as per headstone..


Birth
1879
Death
1967 (aged 87–88)
Burial
Kelliher Memorial Gardens
Kelliher, Wynyard Census Division, Saskatchewan, Canada.

The headstone has 2 Freemasons symbols engraved on it..

Recorded on daughters birth cert....
Daniel and Jennie married,,,August 24th 1899 at Burnt River.
Jennie also refered to as,,Jane,&Annie ,,Race is as _Irish..

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 13 Aug 2024 17:57

Thanks, Kay.

Although the years of birth given in various censuses, and at his death, aren't right for "my" Daniel, the month (May) fits with his birth registration..

I've ruled out another Daniel Alcock, born 1877 in Hook Norton, whose famiily emigrated to Australia in 1878 on the "Hesperus".

Also a Daniel Alcutt/Alcott, born in Birmingham in 1875, who was still in Birmingham in 1901.

Before Daniel Alcott in Canada was in Saskatchewan, his eldest child Lizzie was born in 1909 in Lindsay, Victoria, Ontario, which is near Kawartha Lakes, previously known as Verulam, which is where Daniel Alcock was in 1891.

I'm therefore sure the man in Saskatchewan is the right one.

Thanks again.