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Thank you for your prompt ErikaH.

Family funeral and more to contend with.

I'll return to this fascinating thread when I can.

:-)

LLOYD, EDWARD CADOGAN HARDING
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 289
LLOYD, HENRY MEYRICK HARDING
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 286
LLOYD, HERBERT LLEWELYN HARDING
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 310

Edward died in 1881

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Parsonage, Aldworth, Wantage, Berkshire, England

Francis H Lloyd Head Married Male 42 1819 Vicar of aldworth Tamworth, Staffordshire, England
Jessy Lloyd Wife Married Female 26 1835 - West Indies
Llewelyn Lloyd Son - Male 1 1860 - Aldworth, Berkshire, England
Henry Meyrick Lloyd Son - Male 0 1861 - Aldworth, Berkshire, England
Susan Villars Visitor Unmarried Female 54 1807 Servant retired Stanton, Derbyshire, England
..................plus other unrelated people



Lloyd
Henry Meyrick
1861
1903
British Newspaper Death & In Memoriam Notices
Great Britain

In 1901, he was charged with attempting to commit suicide by cutting his throat at Aldworth on 4th May

No, there are not two suggestions for one woman.

Jessey Harding, WIDOW, married KENNEY………in St Kitts

Her DAUGHTER, spinster, married LLOYD, in England ……….note her age at death
AG’s post on 12 April at 11:21 starts with the words ‘Their daughter’

I am confused - and it doesn't take much:

There are two suggestions above as to whom Jessey Harding, nee Huggins may have married for her second marriage??

Either CHARLES KENNEY or FRANCIS LLEWELYN LLOYD.

It would seem to be the latter judging by the data which follows? In which case, who is CHARLES KENNEY!!

:-S

The search category on FMP

Apologies ErikaH, but what does 'All Record Sets' mean please??

Charles Kenney was a Stipendiary Magistrate and was previously married to a Mary, with whom he had a daughter, Mary Louisa Ann, baptised 08/04/1840

The baptism is on FMP

All Record Sets

St Kitts & Nevis baptisms 1716-1881

ALL info I posted was found on FMP

I never fail to be grateful and amazed at the lengths you all go to in support of a posted new thread. I thought that I was 'reasonable' at this family history research lark but you all seem to know all the extraordinary nicks and crannies to reveal the answers! Where/how do you find all these references?? Honestly, it's quite humbling.

To try to answer some of the above questions: I have subscriptions to Ancestry [not worldwide], FMP, and then make use of the free ones - LDS/Free BMD etc. plus Google of course. That is where I discovered the circumstances of the unfortunate death aged 37 of HH senior and also a sister of HH junior who is buried in the same location. Yes, ArgyllGran to yours of 23.46.

The Mountravers document is historically interesting but doesn't cast the leading actors in a very good light. Crikey, I wouldn't want to be a present day descendant of old Huggins with that CV.

I don't know where the suggestion that HH junior's mother was Jessie. Probably one of those family whispers and now you have confirmed it. THANK YOU. I had thought that she probably would have remarried and probably upon her return to the UK. Thank you again.

Tricky with the first names being repeated down through the generations. I've drawn myself a rough tree to keep track before I commit it all to our records.

HH junior's only daughter baptised Beatrice Jessie, but seems to have been known as Jessie Beatrice, never married and lived with her widowed mother in considerable style until the latter died. She died in Peckham House Psychiatric Hospital in London. Administration of her Will was granted to two significant family members.

Where did you find HH junior's baptism, please? It would help me to know please and then if I could have found that myself I could have saved you all the bother because lo and behold there is the elusive first/maiden/second married name!!!

My apologies for not coming back to this earlier today. Firstly I wanted to take in all that you have found and then - our daughter-in-law's mother died ................ Such is 'family history'. :-(

This has been a fascinating reveal and thank you ALL again. :-) :-)

Alice Anne
Harding
1837
Henry
Jessy
St Paul Charlestown
Nevis

Henry
Harding
1833
Henry
Jessy
St Thomas Lowland
Nevis

Jessy
Harding
1834
Henry
Jessy
St Paul Charlestown
Nevis

Madeline
Harding
1840
Henry
Jessy
St Thomas Lowland
Nevis

First name(s) Peter Thomas
Island Nevis
Last name Huggins
Country St Kitts & Nevis
Baptism year 1833
Source St Thomas Lowland baptism register 1827-73
Baptism date 22 Feb 1833
Archive Lower Antilles collection, Hamilton College
Father's first name(s) Peter Thomas
Page 38
Father's last name Huggins
Entry 298
Father's occupation Proprietor of Montraverse property
Event Baptism
Mother's first name(s) Jessy
Record set St Kitts & Nevis Baptisms 1716-1881
Mother's last name -
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Residence Mountravers, St Thomas Lowland
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Parish St Thomas Lowland
Collections from Americas, Caribbean
Denomination Anglican

AND.......................

Charles Pinney
Huggins
1829
Peter Thomas
Jessy
St Paul Charlestown
Nevis

Elizabeth
Huggins
1824
Peter Thomas
Jessy
St Paul Charlestown
Nevis

Julia
Huggins
1834
Peter Thomas
Jessy
St Paul Charlestown
Nevis

First name(s) Peter Thomas
Spouse's last name Moore
Last name Huggins
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Occupation Engineer
Spouse's residence Liverpool
Residence Liverpool
Witness 1 J P Moore
Year 1809
Witness 2 Sarah Moore
Marriage year 1809
Archive Liverpool Record Office
Marriage date 11 Feb 1809
By licence or banns Licence
Denomination Church Of England
Archive reference 283-ANN-3-6
Description St Anne, Cazneau Street
Register year range 1806-1810
Place Liverpool, St Anne, Cazneau Street
Register type Marriages
Diocese Liverpool
Record set Lancashire Banns & Marriages
County Lancashire
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Country England
Subcategory Parish Marriages



Spouse's first name(s) Jessey
First name(s) Peter Thomas
Spouse's first name Moore
Last name Huggins
Spouse as transcribed Jessie (Jessy) Moore (1809)
Sex Male
Children Frances, Jessie, Sarah Bell, Ann, Edward John, Elizabeth, Helen, Charles Pinney, Julia, (Peter) Thomas
Birth year 1787
Relationships Sister: Fanny Cottle
Brother: Edward Huggins
Birth date 01 Jan 1787
Source website Source website
Year 1833
Record set Legacies Of British Slavery 1833
Death year 1857
Category Institutions & organisations
Death date 04 Feb 1857
Subcategory Courts & Legal
Father's first name Edward
Collections from Great Britain, Caribbean
Father's last name Huggins

Their daughter:

Jessey Harding
in the 1851 England Census
Name Jessey Harding
Age 17
Estimated Birth Year abt 1834
Relation Niece
Gender Female
Where born West Indies, B S
Civil parish Fazeley
Ecclesiastical parish Fazeley
County/Island Staffordshire
Country England
Registration district Tamworth
Sub-registration district Tamworth
ED, institution, or vessel 3c, 4, 5, 6, and 7
Neighbors
Household schedule number 49
Piece 2013
Folio 422
Page number 13
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Margaret Harding 56 Head
Emma Harding 46 Sister
Jessey Harding 17 Niece
Mary Fambrough 35 Visitor
Mary Berst 19 Visitor
Elizabeth Taylor 18 Visitor
Kate Schofield 16 Visitor
Mary Alldcroft 14 Visitor
Jane Wilkenson 5 Visitor
Joseph Noswood 22 Servant


Marriages Mar 1859 (>99%)
Harding Jessy Tamworth 6b 457
Lloyd Francis Llewelyn Tamworth 6b 457


Jessy Harding
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name Jessy Harding
Gender Female
Marriage Date 10 Feb 1858
Marriage Place Tamworth, Stafford, England
Father Henry Harding
Spouse Francis Llewelyn Lloyd
FHL Film Number 1526133


Jessy Lloyd
in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current
Name Jessy Lloyd
Death Date 1864
Cemetery St. Mary the Virgin Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place Aldworth, West Berkshire Unitary Authority, Berkshire, England
Spouse Francis Llewelyn Lloyd


LLOYD, JESSY 29
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 252

First name(s) Jessy
Father's first name(s) Peter Thomas
Last name Huggins
Father's last name Huggins
Sex Female
Spouse's father's first name John
Year 1830
Spouse's father's last name Harding
Marriage date 11 Sep 1830
County Lancashire
Place Manchester
Country England
Publication title Manchester Courier And Lancashire General Advertiser
Event type Marriage Notice
Publication year 1830
Record set England, Newspaper Marriage Notices
Publication date 11 Sep 1830
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Page 3
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's last name Harding
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland, England
Spouse's sex Male


EDITED 16:56

The newspaper report is on FMP

The marriage took place on 17th July, on the Island of Nevis

11 Sep was the date of publication

Henry baptised 23/02/1833, mother Jessy

Please say which sites you have looked at……….to save duplication of effort

???

"The four Huggins children would have been Elizabeth, who was baptised in 1824, Edward John, who was born in about 1825;
Charles Pinney, who was born in October 1829, and Peter Thomas, who was baptised on 22 February 1833 – a week before his nephew Henry, the son of his sister Jessie with Henry Harding (NHCS, St Thomas Lowland Baptisms 1827-1873 No 298 and 299)"
https://seis.bristol.ac.uk/~emceee/mountravers~part2chapter7.pdf
(see footnote to page 880)


I assume that means Henry junior was nephew of the father of the Huggins children, whose name was also Peter Thomas Huggins.
In which case Henry's mother must have been Jessie Huggins.

Another footnote in same page:

"17 July 1830. Jessie married Henry Harding, the collector of HM Customs"


In a footnote to page 881:

"Henry Harding was baptised on 22 February 1833 (NHCS, St Thomas Lowland Baptisms 1827-1873 No 299)."


Another mention (in footnote to page 901):

"Peter Thomas Huggins’s daughter Jessey was married for the second time. Her first husband, Henry Harding, had died, and in
February 1851 she married a man from St John Figtree, Charles Kenney (NHCS, St Thomas Lowland Marriages 1828-1965 No 308)."

It appears therefore that Jessie did not go to England.
Maybe young Henry was sent for schooling ??

For our reference -

is this Henry junior in 1851? At 36 Cannon Street?

Ancestry's transcription has mixed this household up with the household at number 35.
I've omitted the incorrect extra people here.

Henry Harding
in the 1851 England Census
Name Henry Harding
Age 18
Estimated Birth Year abt 1833
Relation Lodger
Gender Male
Where born West Indies, British Subjt
Civil parish Preston
Ecclesiastical parish Church
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Registration district Preston
Sub-registration district Preston
ED, institution, or vessel 02i
Neighbors
Household schedule number 52
Piece 2265
Folio 559
Page number 14
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Robert Handley 39
Sarah Handley 39 Wife
George Hawkins 4 Son
Isaac Glover 21 Lodger
Henry Harding 18 Lodger - banker's clerk



Where have you found the suggestion that his mother's name was Jessie?

After Henry Harding senior's death in 1843, perhaps his young widow and child/children would have come to the UK. Since her husband had held a British Government position on Nevis, it probably wouldn't have been possible for her to remain??

Henry Harding junior is to be found in 1851/1861/1871 censuses and married and died in the UK.

But I can find no trace of his widowed mother ?JESSE/JESSIE?