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20 Mar 2024 13:23 |
1921 Census Of England & Wales 49, South End, Croydon, Surrey, England Dorothie Stephenson Head Female 1884 37 Ceylon (Sri Lanka) Home Duties - Robert B Stephenson Son Male 1902 19 Dulwich, London, England Clerk Croydon Gas Co Gerald E Stephenson Son Male 1906 15 Dulwich, London, England - - John N Stephenson Son Male 1908 13 Dulwich, London, England -
Image states "Ceylon Resident....British born"
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20 Mar 2024 13:28 |
Name Gertrude Jessie Dorothea Shand Gender Female Christening Age 15 Birth Date 11 May 1877 Christening Date 25 Mar 1893 Christening Place Godshill (near Newport), Hampshire, England Father Francis Shand Mother Jessie Shand
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20 Mar 2024 13:30 |
Marriages Mar 1880 (>99%) HOTTEN Jessie Maria Marylebone 1a 941 Shand Francis Marylebone 1a 941
SHAND, MILDRED ESME BYAM HATTEN GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 248
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20 Mar 2024 13:41 |
1939 Register Ellerslie Taleham Road, Shepperton, Sunbury-On-Thames U.D., Middlesex, England Jessie M Shard 06 Jan 1859 Female - Widowed 298 1 William Poulter 30 Nov 1879 Male - Married 298 2 ?onie M B Poulter 16 Apr 1881 Female - Married 298 3
Marriages Mar 1899 (>99%) Poulter William Pancras 1b 199 Shand Esme Mildred B Pancras 1b 199
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20 Mar 2024 13:47 |
SELBY, GERTRUDE JESSIE STRAND HOTTEN GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 643
In your shoes, I'd have to see the birth cert............ ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)
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20 Mar 2024 13:48 |
Name Jessie Maria Hotten Gender Female Record Type Baptism Baptism Date 8 Nov 1867 Baptism Place Holloway, Islington, England Father John William Hotten Mother Charlottee Hotten
Name Jessie Maria Shand, widow Death Date 1 Mar 1948 Death Place Suffolk, England Probate Date 9 Jun 1948 Probate Registry London, England Probate to Bank
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20 Mar 2024 14:01 |
Marriages Sep 1867 (>99%) HOTTEN John William Pancras 1b 202 Stringer Charlotte Pancras 1b 202
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20 Mar 2024 14:27 |
POULTER, WILLIAM BYAM SHAND GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 122
POULTER, HEATHCOTE BYAM SHAND GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 133
1911 Census For England & Wales 1 Cambrian Road Richmond Surrey, Richmond, Surrey, England William Poulter Head Married Male 31 1880 Manufacturer upholstery Middlesex Marylebone Esme Poulter Wife Married Female 29 1882 - Surrey Croydon William Poulter Son - Male 8 1903 - Middlesex Ealing Heathcote Poulter Son - Male 5 1906 - Middlesex Ealing Eliza Garrett Servant Married Female 74 1837 Nurse domestic S Wamborough Hants Edith Walker Servant - Female 21 1890 General servant domestic Kentish Town Middlesex
1921 census First name(s) Heathcote Institution description Foundation Boarding House, St Bees Last name Poulter Parish St Bees Sex Male Registration district Whitehaven Birth year 1905 Registration district number 577 Census date 19 June 1921 Sub-district Egremont Age in years 16
Poulter Heathcote 1906 1924 Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960 Lisbon, Portugal
Name Heathcote Byam Poulter Gender Male Marriage Age 29 Record Type Marriage Birth Date abt 1905 Marriage Date 9 Jun 1934 Marriage Place All Souls, Langham Place: Langham Place, Regent Street, Westminster Father William Poulter Spouse Cassandra Eileen Wynne Nichols Father Charles William Nichols
Deaths Dec 1980 (>99%) POULTER HEATHCOTE BYAN 21MY1905 SURREY N W 17 556
1939 Register Stone East Beach, East Beach, Selsey, Chichester R.D., Sussex, England Louise C Nichols 08 Apr 1882 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 196 1 Cassandra Poulter 01 Feb 1910 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 196 2 Phyllis O'Neill (Nichols) 01 Dec 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 196 3 L H Stephine 27 Aug 1891 Female Nurse Single 196 4 Margaret Looney (Bowe,Bonel) 10 Dec 1910 Female Cook Single 196 5 The record for this person is officially closed. Heatherle Poulter 21 May 1905 Male Secretary Married 196 7 The record for this person is officially closed.
POULTER, CASSANDRA EILEEN 1910 GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2008 in CORNWALL (3711A) Reg 1A006 Entry Number 118
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20 Mar 2024 14:32 |
Deaths Mar 1974 (>99%) Poulter Esme Mildred B 16AP1881 Surrey N 5g 360
Name Esme Mildred Byam Poulter Death Date 7 Feb 1974 Death Place Addlestone Sy Probate Date 27 Mar 1974 Probate Registry Winchester
Name Esme Poulter (and husband) Gender Female Departure Age 46 Birth Date abt 1882 Departure Date 13 Jan 1928 Departure Port England Ship Name Herefordshire Shipping Line Bibby Line Destination Port Port Said, Egypt Master R Manor
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20 Mar 2024 15:07 |
UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 Name William Byam Poulter Estimated Age 20 Birth Date 1902 Birth Place Ealing Issue Date 14 Jul 1922 Issue Port London Certificate Number 0015809
Name William Byam Poulter Marital Status Single Marriage Age 29 Record Type Marriage Birth Date abt 1902 Marriage Date 7 Dec 1931 Marriage Place Westhampnett, Sussex, England Father William Poulter Spouse Joan Kimbell Father David Kimbell
Name William Byam Poulter Death Date 23 Aug 1994 Death Place Worth Matravers Swanage Probate Date 19 Sep 1994 Probate Registry Winchester
Name Mr William Byan Poulter Arrival Age 21 Birth Date abt 1903 Port of Departure Africa Arrival Date 23 Jun 1924 Port of Arrival Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage Lagos; Sekondi; Sierra Leone; Freetown; Teneriffe; Accra; Plymouth, Devon, England Ship Name Appam Shipping Line Elder Dempster Lines Ltd Official Number 135422
1939 Register Name William B Poulter Gender Male Marital Status Divorced*************************** Birth Date 5 Jul 1902 Residence Date 1939 Address 7 Residence Place Kingston-Upon-Thames, Surrey, England Occupation Superintendant Eleck Supply Line Number 22 Schedule Number 74 Sub Schedule Number 1 Enumeration District Cmsi Borough Kingston-Upon-Thames Registration district 30-1
Marriages Jun 1938 (>99%)
Bennett Leslie C Poulter Westminster 1a 1469 Bennett Leslie C Kimbell Westminster 1a 1469 Kimbell Joan Bennett Westminster 1a 1469 Poulter Joan Bennett Westminster 1a 1469
Name Joan Bennett Death Date 19 Apr 1977 Death Place Aldwick Bognor Regis Probate Date 8 Jun 1977 Probate Registry Brighton
WING COMMANDER LESLIE CLIVE BENNETT Service Number: 16216 Regiment & Unit/Ship Royal Air Force 21 Sqdn Died 09 July 1940 Age 34 Buried or commemorated at LONSTRUP CHURCHYARD From entrance, right of church, last row. Denmark Additional Info Son of Frederick H. and Gertrude Bennett; husband of Joan Bennett, of Chichester, Sussex. Native of New Zealand.
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20 Mar 2024 15:36 |
Thank you so much to everyone.
Dorothie is my stepfather's [John Noel Tracy Stephenson] mother. He figures as the youngest of the three boys as above.
By 1911, Dorothie is a widow and this would seem to be the case since I knew the sons so well. Although the theory above that he abandoned them and is indeed the Robert Pery Stephenson in the 1911 [married but states 'no children'] could be true and poor Dorothie has had to save face by stating that she is a widow. Wonder how she brought up the children with no funds, all of whom did very well for themselves .............. ?? This Robert still states that he is married in the 1939 register.
I'm puzzled by Erika's post at 10.23 with the GRO entries showing 'SHAND' as a ??surname?? included in their surname of Stephenson. Ancestry shows only their Stephenson surname. Perhaps I need to order the BC for my stepfather ............
There is no MMN on the GRO for the birth of the three sons at that time. I wish! - it would make this puzzle easier to solve.
It is a puzzle why their marriage is so elusive.
In the 1911 census, widowed Dorothie states her middle name as BYAM and in fact son Robert bears this as his middle name, too.
I wonder whether she was a nee BYAM?? She died in the mid 1950's.
Thank you for the THAMES Preservation Society! Wonder what that was? Nothing on the internet.
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ErikaH
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20 Mar 2024 16:17 |
SHAND is the MMN…………
Make yourself familiar with the GRO site……..it’s invaluable
The marriage has been posted for you……as have ALL the sons’ birth registrations
Please go through all the info on both pages very carefully……
In 1911 she said she was married……….it’s 1921 where she was ‘widowed’ and had knocked a few years off her age. She was actually born in 1877 as per birth and baptism records found for you
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ArgyllGran
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20 Mar 2024 17:20 |
Re Thames Preservation Society -
You're right, there's nothing about it online.
Just a suggestion - maybe the enumerator got the name wrong?
There was a Thames Angling Preservation Society, started in 1838 at Hampton, and still going in the 1930s.
https://www.anglingheritage.org/p-27165-thames-angling-preservation-society.aspx https://www.anglebooks.com/thames-angling-preservation-society-blue-book-1937.html
Hampton is also notable as being the place where the Thames Angling Preservation Society, to whose efforts and expenditure Thames anglers are indebted for the preservation of the fishery in the river up to Staines, was established at a meeting held at the Bell Inn on 17 March, 1838-more than seventy years ago. (fn. 21) The promoters of the movement were Mr. Henry Perkins of Hanworth Park, Mr. C. C. Clarke, and Mr. Edward Jesse of Twickenham, Dr. Henry Jepson and Mr. Richard Kerry of Hampton, Mr. W. Whitbread of Eaton Square, and Mr. David Crole of Strawberry Hill. Originally formed for the protection of fish from poachers-with respect to which an application was in the first instance made to the then Lord Mayor (Sir John Cowan, bart.), who was at that time one of the Thames conservators (fn. 22) -the society eventually extended its operations to restocking the river, and has thus provided thousands of anglers with twenty miles of free water, which furnishes perhaps the finest coarse fishing in England. Among the consignments of fish placed in the river during 1905 were 300 trout, from 10 to 14 in. at Weybridge; 1 ton of roach, dace, bream, and perch about and below Sunbury Lock; 12 cwt. of roach, perch, chub and bream at Chertsey; and about 1 dozen bream, averaging 2½ lb., with a few chub, perch and roach at Walton. Among the patrons of the society may be mentioned the late King Edward and his Majesty King George. The Hon. Harry Lawson, M.A., is the president and Mr. Henry Whitmore Higgins the hon. secretary and hon. treasurer. https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/middx/vol2/pp267-270
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20 Mar 2024 17:27 |
Or maybe the Thames Conservancy, aka Conservators of the River Thames, founded in 1857 ???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Conservancy
Just a suggestion!
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ErikaH
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20 Mar 2024 17:28 |
His obituary states he was a keen fisherman...........................
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20 Mar 2024 17:32 |
Thank you as always ErikaH.
Re the GRO site tip: I have used Ancestry/FMP/LDS sites in the past to ascertain any GRO details for individuals so that I can, if required, order a B/M/D certificate.
Where were the marriage/sons' birth details actually found, please?
:-)
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ErikaH
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20 Mar 2024 17:44 |
On the GRO site…births
Freebmd…..marriage.
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20 Mar 2024 17:45 |
My husband is a keen fisherman and off to the AGM later today for the oldest fly fishing club in the UK! Perhaps they can throw some light on this .............. :-D
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21 Mar 2024 19:42 |
MANY HAPPY RETURNS OF THE DAY
July 29: Cllr R Percy Stephenson.
South London Observer 26 July 1913.
he was elected to the Camberwell Borough Council in 1912.
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21 Mar 2024 19:46 |
He was Secretary of the Council of the Thames Preservation League
Various papers in Nov 1900.
A paragraph from a letter in the local paper informing readers of the object of the League.
" The league is an organisation composed of representatives of a number of Open Space, Right of Way, Natural History, Aesthetic and Historical Societies, together with various rowing, swimming and fishing clubs, delegates from riparian towns, and members of the public interested in matters affecting the River Thames and it's borders."
They wanted to preserve everything about the river and it's surroundings from bridges and buildings to flora and fauna, from pathways and towpaths to ferries and landings. They wanted to educate people on how to enjoy the river without harming it and teach ' a certain class of the community' to respect both public and private rights.
Maidenhead Advertiser 19 Sept 1900.
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