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Hello All

Eliza Toop is my 3rd G Grandmother.

This is her marriage

Name Eliza Toop
Gender Female
Marriage Date 27 Mar 1837
Marriage Place Evercreech, Somerset,England
Spouse
Joseph Southway


I have found her in subsequent Census records until her death, 2nd marriage and her children

However. I know her father was Samuel Toop

I am struggling to find anything about him or Eliza's mother. Could someone have a fresh pair of eyes for me please.

Thanks

Have you looked for Samuel on any census

What about siblings?

Probably a generation back !

ViewSomerset, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1531-1812
Name Samuel Toop
Event Type Baptism
Baptism Date 28 Dec 1740
Baptism Place Berkley, Somerset, England
Father
Jeremiah Toop
Mother
Elizabeth Toop

Unable to find anything on Census records for him.

When Eliza married for the 2nd time was her father recorded as deceased?
Not 100% correct always, but it might give a guide.

Who were the witnesses?

This is the second marriage which names her father


Name Elza Southway
[Elza Toop]
Gender Female
Marriage or Bann Date 8 Feb 1872
Marriage Place Evercreech, Somerset, England
Parish as it Appears Evercreech
Father
Samuel Toop
Spouse
Samuel Clarke


It states he is a labourer, when I click on his name, no other links appear

I imagine she gave the name Samuel for her father when she remarried.

Did she state his occupation?

Hi Erikah, yes post above yours names him as Samuel Toop Labourer

Try looking on family search , they often have old parish records that aren’t on other sites

I was typing as you posted......... ;-) ;-)

You can't 'know' her father's name, unfortunately. You can only make assumptions based on info she gave in later life

I see you've amended her birth year in your title.

Where does she say she was born?

Yes i reviewed all the census records again and her death record which all gave a circa date of 1815, the 1809 came from 1941 which i know they guessed or rounded up/down so that to me is the odd one out

All the records say she was born on Berkley, Somerset

Have you looked into what records Somerset & Dorset FHS or the Somerset Archives hold?

Not yet, ive only started researching her properly today

https://swheritage.org.uk/somerset-archives/

We are closed to the public for project work to take place Monday 22 January to Friday 2 February.

Is this your Samuel??

From Ancestry

Name Samuel Toop
Record Type Baptism
Baptism Date 15 Jan 1797
Baptism Place West Alvington, Devon, England
Religion Anglican
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map
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Father
Richard Toop
Mother
Mary Toop

From FMP (same record)
First name(s) Samuel
County Devon
Last name Toop
Country England
Birth year -
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Baptism year 1797
Archive reference 818A/PR/1/2
Baptism date 15 Jan 1797
Record set Devon Baptisms
Father's first name(s) Richard
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Baptism place West Alvington
Collections from England, Great Britain
Denomination Anglican

This may be of some use to you

https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Berkley,_Somerset_Genealogy

I dont know if it is, There are lot of Toops living in that area and across into Wiltshire as Berkley was on the borders.

I will have a look at this one. Thanks

In the Marriage between her and James Southway in 1837 the witnesses where not her own family it was her husbands family : Ann Southway (James's sister) and Charles Reakes (possible uncle/cousin as his mum MN was Reakes)

In her second marriage to Samuel Clarke the witnesses was Elizabeth Stride (her daughter) and a name I cant read properly.

Unless you can find a baptism, there is very little chance of proving anything

Try the records office………….your only hope, I would say