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SHEDMAN

SHEDMAN Report 16 Jan 2024 00:09

I would like information regarding Edna M Knight b. 1921 in Leicester, father Charles Knight, mother Dora Barwell.
Also who I believe is Edna's half-sister, Beryl Daniels Knight b. 1929 in Islington, mother Dora Barwell. I think Beryl may have sometimes used the surname of Jacobs which was her step-father's surname.
They are connected to my family although not blood relations. I would just like to know what happened to them.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jan 2024 08:14

Try looking on freebmd for possible marriages and children

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jan 2024 08:28

Marriage

Marriages Dec 1931
Jacobs James E Knight Lambeth 1d 710
Knight Dora Jacobs Lambeth 1d 710

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jan 2024 08:31

Looks like 3 possibly births for Jacobs mmn Barwell from 1931 to 1939

Details on freebmd

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jan 2024 08:45

1939 register

1939 Register
39 Stoneliegh, Sutton, Carshalton U.D., Surrey, England

Household members (6 people)

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
James E Jacobs 16 Nov 1895 Male Paper Hanger & Painter Married 133 1
Dora Jacobs 12 Oct 1895 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 133 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
Joan E Showell (Jacobs) 27 Apr 1933 Female At School Single 133 5
Edna M Knight 03 May 1921 Female ? Machinist Hand Single 133 6


So that shows one of the Jacobs children.
The others are closed records because the deaths haven’t been picked up

Looks like too that Edna never married

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jan 2024 08:50

Death

Name Dora Jacobs
Death Age 87
Birth Date 12 Oct 1895
Registration Date Oct 1982
[Nov 1982]
[Dec 1982]
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district Sutton
Inferred County Greater London
Volume 15
Page 0421

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jan 2024 09:01

Marriages Dec 1951
JACOBS Joan E SHOWELL Surrey N.E. 5g 751
SHOWELL William J JACOBS Surrey N.E. 5g 751


Death
First name(s) Joan Ellen
Register number 1190
Last name Showell
County London
Sex Female
Volume 13
Birth day 27
Page 1624
Birth month 4
Country England
Birth year 1933
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Death quarter 4
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Registration month 11
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1990
Collections from Great Britain, England
District Kensington & Chelsea

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jan 2024 10:35

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jan 2024 11:48

1921 Census Of England & Wales
5, Court, Belgrave Gate, Leicester, Leicestershire, England

Alfred Austin Head Male 1868 53 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Labourer None Boot Factory Stead & Simpson Out Of Work Boot Mfrs
Sarah Austin Wife Female 1868 53 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Home Duties None -
Charles Cufflin Boarder Male 1894 27 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Barman Private Pubtt Cricket Hotel
Norah Cufflin Boarder Female 1899 22 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Rover Wool Man Whitmore Ltd Wool Spinner
Edna Knight Boarder Female 1921 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England -

1921 Census Of England & Wales
55, Belgrave Gate, Leicester, Leicestershire, England
William Arthur Barks Visitor Male 1869 51 Derbyshire, England Packer Pottery Messrs C Woutram Co
Dora Knight Servant Female 1895 25 Ketton, Rutland, England Domestic Mary Jane Kinsman Temperance Hotel
Harry Hanson Boarder Male 1904 16 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Out Porter Dofferman Leicester
Elizabeth Dawson Boarder Female 1870 50 Burton on Trent, Staffordshire, England Domestic Mary Jane Kinsman Tempernce Hotel
Joseph Willar Boarder Male 1861 60 Leicester, Leicestershire, England Clerk Guardians Office Bockington Walk

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jan 2024 11:55

Beryl's birth is registered as Knight with MMN Barwell, so, legally, she is a full sister to Edna, although if the mother lied about the father's identity when registering the birth, it would be difficult to prove nearly a century later.

Can't find any definite record of her apart from birth registration

KNIGHT, BERYL DANIELS BARWELL
GRO Reference: 1929 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 264

There are two closed records in 1939.....................she could be one of them

Births Mar 1931 (>99%)
Jacobs James A Barwell Lambeth 1d 402
Births Jun 1933 (>99%)
Jacobs Joan E Barwell Camberwell 1d 851


Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%)
Jacobs James E Knight Lambeth 1d 710
Knight Dora Jacobs Lambeth 1d 710

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Jan 2024 12:08

Birth, showing middle name:

KNIGHT, EDNA MAY mmn BARWELL
GRO Reference: 1921 J Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 598


ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jan 2024 12:12

Dora Barwell is in a GR member's tree. Try making contact

It may help us to help you if you give details of the 'connection' with your family.

I see you added a note against 1939 register on Ancestry. Couldn't you find any info on that site?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jan 2024 12:15

JACOBS, JAMES ALBERT 1931
GRO Reference: DOR Q2/2010 in LANCASHIRE (5911K) Reg 1K006 Entry Number 503395717

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jan 2024 12:34

Deaths of women named Edna May with DoB to fit existing info......from ANCESTRY


Name
Edna May Evans
Birth
3 May 1921
Death
Jul 2006 Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Name
Edna May Marsh
Birth
3 May 1921
Death
Oct 2005 Kidderminster, Worcestershire, England

Name
Edna May Lye
Birth
3 May 1921
Death
Nov 1993 Swindon, Wiltshire, England

Name
Edna May Lucas
Birth
3 May 1921
Death
Nov 1994 Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England

Name
Edna May Baker
Birth
3 May 1921
Death
Apr 1978 Westminster, Greater London, England

Name
Edna May Johnson
Birth
3 May 1921
Death
Jan 1979 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

Edna May Sellars
Birth
3 May 1921
Death
Apr 1988 Doncaster, South Yorkshire, England

Name
Edna May Hickman
Birth
3 May 1921
Death
Nov 1990 Stockport, Greater Manchester, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Jan 2024 12:59

Looking randomly at that list of deaths - you'd need certs (marriage and/or death) to rule them in or out:

A long shot - re the 1978 death above -
Maybe , just because of geography ????

Marriages Jun 1959 (>99%)
BAKER Reuben W KNIGHT Surrey Mid.E. 5g 289
KNIGHT Edna M BAKER Surrey Mid.E. 5g 289

Surrey Mid E includes Carshalton, where your Edna was in 1939.

Edna and Reuben are on ER for Sutton & Cheam until at least 1966, per Ancestry.
Reuben may have remarried (third marriage ?) in 1984 - but he's not the only man of that name.


Reuben (a lot older than your Edna, if it was your Edna whom he married) with a previous wife in 1939 in Carshalton - at the same address as in 1966:

Reuben W Baker
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name Reuben W Baker
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 19 Dec 1908
Residence Date 1939
Address 8 Inverness Road
Residence Place Sutton and Cheam, Surrey, England
Occupation Surgical Last & Cork ?? Orthopaedic Boot & Shoe
Line Number 40
Schedule Number 221
Sub Schedule Number 1
Enumeration District Cnlp
Borough Sutton and Cheam
Registration district 31/4
Inferred Spouse
Contance Baker
Household Members (Name) Gender
Reuben W Baker Male
Constance Baker Female
This record is officially closed. [ This is their daughter, born 1938 ]


Reuben died in Sutton in 1998.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jan 2024 13:44

But no married name is given on the 1939 register suggesting Edna never married

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Jan 2024 13:59

Do you have Beryl actual birthdate ?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Jan 2024 15:28

Elimination

Marriages Jun 1949 (>99%)
Hickman Samuel P Sykes Manchester 10e 115
Sykes Edna M Hickman Manchester 10e 115

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Jan 2024 15:52

Another for elimination;

Marriages Mar 1944 (>99%)
LIDBURY Edna M Lye Swindon 5a 37 (born Swindon)
LYE Dennis R Lidbury Swindon 5a 37

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 16 Jan 2024 15:58

Possibly another elimination - re 2005 death in Kidderminster:

Marriages Dec 1939 (>99%)
Marsh Herbert Taylor Dudley 6c 28
Taylor Edna M Marsh Dudley 6c 28 (born in Dudley RD )