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4 Jan 2024 20:57 |
Lewis Barber is my maternal grandmother's second husband. They married in 1932. He died in Tenterden in 1939. There were no children of the marriage.
I have come across a bible with nice gilt edged pages with the inscription in his distinctive round handwriting: "Lewis Barber May 24th 1923 St. Matthew. Chapters 5, 6 & 7. Old Palace, Lincoln 4-30 Trinity Sunday".
Lewis had eight or nine siblings and half siblings that I can see from census entries.
I would love to return this bible to one of his family members and would be grateful for any research which could lead me to them, please.
Thank you.
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greyghost
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4 Jan 2024 22:24 |
You give little information to help us help you
Is this the correct Lewis Barber?
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: BARBER, LEWIS BELCHER GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 395
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: BARBER, STUART BELCHER GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 355
BARBER, GERTRUDE BELCHER GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 371
--------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1932 (>99%) Barber Lewis Hervey St.Martin 1a 997 Barber Lewis Vaughan St.Martin 1a 997 Hervey Kathleen M J Barber St.Martin 1a 997 VAUGHAN Kathleen M J BARBER St.Martin 1a 997
------------------------ 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Stanton House, Main Street, Stanton, Burton upon Trent, Derbyshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Lewis Barber Head Widower Male 37 1854 Farmer Greasley, Nottinghamshire, England Gertrude Barber Daughter - Female 8 1883 - Stanton, Derbyshire, England Lewis Barber Son - Male 6 1885 - Stanton, Derbyshire, England Stewart Barber Son - Male 4 1887 - Stanton, Derbyshire, England Jessie L Belcher Sister in law - Female 25 1866 - Burton on Trent, Staffordshire, England Mary Carter Servant Single Female 29 1862 Domestic servant barmaid Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Julia A Brearly Servant Single Female 23 1868 Domestic servant cook Newhall, Derbyshire, England Caroline Ward Servant Single Female 18 1873 Domestic servant nurse Bosbury, Hertfordshire, England Amy Carter Servant Single Female 18 1873 Domestic servant kitchen maid Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
As you have access to census records and bmd records, you need to follow up his own siblings I would have thought rather than the half siblings initially. Their marriages, children etc. Could be quite a lot by now!
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4 Jan 2024 22:30 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Stanton House, Stanton and Newhall (Derby), Burton upon Trent, Derbyshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Lewis Barber Head Married Male 27 1854 Farmer of 335 acres employing 9 men & 4 boys Greasley, Nottinghamshire, England Helen Barber Wife Married Female 21 1860 Farmers wife Callington, Cornwall, England Susan Brown Servant Single Female 25 1856 Cook & dairymaid Stapenhill, Derbyshire, England Elizabeth Mitchell Servant Single Female 23 1858 Housemaid Wiggington, Warwickshire, England
-------------------- Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%) Barber John Lewis P Bakewell 7b 939 BELCHER Helen Gertrude Bakewell 7b 939
------------------- Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Jun 1888 (>99%) BARBER Helen Gertrude 28 Burton 6b 211
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4 Jan 2024 22:34 |
1939 Register 1 Elmfield Elmfield, Tenterden, Tenterden M.B., Kent, England
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number Florence S Goulder 21 Mar 1888 Female Working Owner Of Guest House Single 137 1 Eveline K Caton 28 Feb 1895 Female Working Partner Of Guest House Single 137 2 Florence B Navine 26 Jan 1859 Female Private Means Single 137 3 Jaqueline K M Barber 27 Oct 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 137 4 Lewis Barber 04 Mar 1885 Male Chief Electrical Engineer Indian State Railway Retired Married 137 5 ~??? Russell 14 Aug 1917 Female Domestic Servant Single 137 6 Erneshine E (Elizabeth) Russell 14 Aug 1917 Female Domestic Servant Single 137 6
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Nicola'S
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4 Jan 2024 22:34 |
Yes, his father had the same first name and is indeed the wealthy farmer in the 1881 census.
His wife, my grandmother, was nee Vaughan, married Hervey and divorced. It seems that the GRO has her with both surnames ....................
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greyghost
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4 Jan 2024 22:53 |
Birth and death of a sister -
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: BARBER, CONSTANCE BELCHER GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 357
Name: Age at Death (in years): BARBER, CONSTANCE 2 GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 202
Birth of a brother - Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: BARBER, JOHN BELCHER GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in BURTON-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 356
Not seeing him in 1891 nor a death
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greyghost
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4 Jan 2024 23:01 |
Stuart (Stewart on some census) had married and had children by 1921
1921 Census Of England & Wales Lightwood Court Stone Road, Longton, Stoke on Trent, Longton, Staffordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer Stuart Barber Head Male 1886 34 Burton on Trent, Staffordshire, England Colliery Manager Florence Coal & Iron C Gns, Colliery Prospritors Winifred Ruth Barber Wife Female 1887 34 Silverdale, Staffordshire, England Home Duties - Helen Ruth Barber Daughter Female 1915 6 Longton, Staffordshire, England - - Stuart Pasteur Barber Son Male 1917 3 Longton, Staffordshire, England - -
---------------------- Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1912 (>99%) Barber Stuart Quibell Cannock 6b 914 Quibell Winifred R Barber Cannock 6b 914
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their 2 children, I don't see others -
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: BARBER, HELEN RUTH QUIBELL GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 541
BARBER, STUART PASTEUR QUIBELL GRO Reference: 1917 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 387
Check for their marriages / children and/or deaths
If they had children, then their marriages/children etc
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greyghost
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4 Jan 2024 23:18 |
Not necessarily of use, but as I've been looking for info.
Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960 Mombasa, Kenya
First name(s) Stuart Pasteur Destination country Kenya Last name Barber Ship name Empire Brent Gender Male Ship official number 148847 Birth year 1917 Ship registered tonnage 13595 Age 30 Ship master's title Capt Age as transcribed 30 Ship master's first name J Occupation Valuation surveyor Ship master's last name Cook Departure day 21 Shipping line P. & O. Departure month 7 Number of passengers 405 Departure year 1947 Ship departure port LIVERPOOL Departure port Liverpool Ship destination port Durban (Port Natal) Departure country England Ship destination country South Africa Entry struck out N Record set Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960 Destination port Mombasa Category Travel & migration Destination Mombasa Subcategory Passenger Lists Country Kenya Collections from Great Britain, England Destination place - country KENYA
Park Hall Lane, West Hallam was the address given and he intended to remain in Kenya.
Google his name - he appears in a Supplement to the London Gazette 28 June 1940 Service No. 137208, he is listed under the Foresters, but doesn't say why listed
In a couple of papers October 1939 having passed with 1st class honours the professional examinations of the Auctioneers' and Estate Agents' Institute
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greyghost
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4 Jan 2024 23:46 |
Helen's marriage -
Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1939 (>99%) Barber Helen R Price Shardlow 7b 1758 Price Arthur S T Barber Shardlow 7b 1758
the Evening Sentinel of Friday September 8th 1939 carries a picture and a few words Khaki wedding - Miss Helen Ruth Barber who is a Company Commander in the Derbyshire A.T.S. and Lieutenant A.S. Templeton Price after their wedding at Ockbrook, near Derby. Miss Barber is the only daughter of Mr and Mrs Stuart Barber.
The Derby Daily Telegraph version has her as a company Assistant to the County Commandant and says she was the first member of Derbyshire ATS to marry in uniform. Bride and groom were given 24 hours leave.
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greyghost
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5 Jan 2024 00:00 |
a copy of the will may yield clues
England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019 Derbyshire, England
First name(s) Arthur Saxon Templeton County Derbyshire Last name Price Country England Death year 1964 Linked persons Dorothy May Price Death date 22 Dec 1964 Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019 Probate year 1965 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Probate date 04 Mar 1965 Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials Probate registry Nottingham Collections from Great Britain, England Residence town -
Probate granted to Dorothy May Price, widow, so Arthur remarried -
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MARSDEN Dorothy M PRICE Nottingham 3c 1093 PRICE Arthur S T SHEPHERD Nottingham 3c 1093 PRICE Arthur S T MARSDEN Nottingham 3c 1093 SHEPHERD Dorothy M PRICE Nottingham 3c 1093
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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1951 (>99%) BARBER Helen R BRACE Shardlow 3a 1296 BRACE George T PRICE Shardlow 3a 1296 BRACE George T BARBER Shardlow 3a 1296 PRICE Helen R BRACE Shardlow 3a 1296
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greyghost
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5 Jan 2024 00:08 |
Not seeing any Brace / Barber or Price births
but there are possibles for Price/Barber
Check freebmd but there's ?? one in Nottingham RD 1941 that looks a possibility going by the first name and initials
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ErikaH
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5 Jan 2024 09:19 |
Have you looked in ‘search all member trees’? That would be the best and most obvious first step
EDITED 11.22
He's in FOUR trees
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Nicola'S
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10 Jan 2024 20:38 |
Thank you so much to ErikaH for that suggestion.
I had no idea of that area of GR and so you can imagine that I will now go back to ALL my brick walls and search there. I'm really grateful to you for the link.
I am now in touch with the descendant of a GGGrandfather and have already sent him a photo.
<3
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Nicola'S
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13 Sep 2024 18:40 |
Thank you everyone.
I've closed the thread.
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