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Thank you everyone.

I've closed the thread.

:-D

Thank you so much to ErikaH for that suggestion.

I had no idea of that area of GR and so you can imagine that I will now go back to ALL my brick walls and search there. I'm really grateful to you for the link.

I am now in touch with the descendant of a GGGrandfather and have already sent him a photo.

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Have you looked in ‘search all member trees’? That would be the best and most obvious first step

EDITED 11.22

He's in FOUR trees

Not seeing any Brace / Barber or Price births

but there are possibles for Price/Barber

Check freebmd but there's ?? one in Nottingham RD 1941 that looks a possibility going by the first name and initials

a copy of the will may yield clues

England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Arthur Saxon Templeton
County Derbyshire
Last name Price
Country England
Death year 1964
Linked persons Dorothy May Price
Death date 22 Dec 1964
Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Probate year 1965
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Probate date 04 Mar 1965
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Probate registry Nottingham
Collections from Great Britain, England
Residence town -

Probate granted to Dorothy May Price, widow, so Arthur remarried -

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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1951 (>99%)

MARSDEN Dorothy M PRICE Nottingham 3c 1093
PRICE Arthur S T SHEPHERD Nottingham 3c 1093
PRICE Arthur S T MARSDEN Nottingham 3c 1093
SHEPHERD Dorothy M PRICE Nottingham 3c 1093

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Helen also remarried -

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1951 (>99%)
BARBER Helen R BRACE Shardlow 3a 1296
BRACE George T PRICE Shardlow 3a 1296
BRACE George T BARBER Shardlow 3a 1296
PRICE Helen R BRACE Shardlow 3a 1296

Helen's marriage -

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1939 (>99%)
Barber Helen R Price Shardlow 7b 1758
Price Arthur S T Barber Shardlow 7b 1758

the Evening Sentinel of Friday September 8th 1939 carries a picture and a few words Khaki wedding - Miss Helen Ruth Barber who is a Company Commander in the Derbyshire A.T.S. and Lieutenant A.S. Templeton Price after their wedding at Ockbrook, near Derby. Miss Barber is the only daughter of Mr and Mrs Stuart Barber.

The Derby Daily Telegraph version has her as a company Assistant to the County Commandant and says she was the first member of Derbyshire ATS to marry in uniform. Bride and groom were given 24 hours leave.

Not necessarily of use, but as I've been looking for info.

Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960
Mombasa, Kenya

First name(s) Stuart Pasteur
Destination country Kenya
Last name Barber
Ship name Empire Brent
Gender Male
Ship official number 148847
Birth year 1917
Ship registered tonnage 13595
Age 30
Ship master's title Capt
Age as transcribed 30
Ship master's first name J
Occupation Valuation surveyor
Ship master's last name Cook
Departure day 21
Shipping line P. & O.
Departure month 7
Number of passengers 405
Departure year 1947
Ship departure port LIVERPOOL
Departure port Liverpool
Ship destination port Durban (Port Natal)
Departure country England
Ship destination country South Africa
Entry struck out N
Record set Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960
Destination port Mombasa
Category Travel & migration
Destination Mombasa
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Country Kenya
Collections from Great Britain, England
Destination place - country KENYA

Park Hall Lane, West Hallam was the address given and he intended to remain in Kenya.

Google his name - he appears in a Supplement to the London Gazette 28 June 1940 Service No. 137208, he is listed under the Foresters, but doesn't say why listed

In a couple of papers October 1939 having passed with 1st class honours the professional examinations of the Auctioneers' and Estate Agents' Institute

Stuart (Stewart on some census) had married and had children by 1921

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Lightwood Court Stone Road, Longton, Stoke on Trent, Longton, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Stuart Barber Head Male 1886 34 Burton on Trent, Staffordshire, England Colliery Manager Florence Coal & Iron C Gns, Colliery Prospritors
Winifred Ruth Barber Wife Female 1887 34 Silverdale, Staffordshire, England Home Duties -
Helen Ruth Barber Daughter Female 1915 6 Longton, Staffordshire, England - -
Stuart Pasteur Barber Son Male 1917 3 Longton, Staffordshire, England - -

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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1912 (>99%)
Barber Stuart Quibell Cannock 6b 914
Quibell Winifred R Barber Cannock 6b 914

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their 2 children, I don't see others -

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BARBER, HELEN RUTH QUIBELL
GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 541

BARBER, STUART PASTEUR QUIBELL
GRO Reference: 1917 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 387

Check for their marriages / children and/or deaths

If they had children, then their marriages/children etc

Birth and death of a sister -

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BARBER, CONSTANCE BELCHER
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 357

Name: Age at Death (in years):
BARBER, CONSTANCE 2
GRO Reference: 1886 S Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 202


Birth of a brother -
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BARBER, JOHN BELCHER
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in BURTON-UPON-TRENT Volume 06B Page 356

Not seeing him in 1891 nor a death

Yes, his father had the same first name and is indeed the wealthy farmer in the 1881 census.

His wife, my grandmother, was nee Vaughan, married Hervey and divorced. It seems that the GRO has her with both surnames ....................

1939 Register
1 Elmfield Elmfield, Tenterden, Tenterden M.B., Kent, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Florence S Goulder 21 Mar 1888 Female Working Owner Of Guest House Single 137 1
Eveline K Caton 28 Feb 1895 Female Working Partner Of Guest House Single 137 2
Florence B Navine 26 Jan 1859 Female Private Means Single 137 3
Jaqueline K M Barber 27 Oct 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 137 4
Lewis Barber 04 Mar 1885 Male Chief Electrical Engineer Indian State Railway Retired Married 137 5
~??? Russell 14 Aug 1917 Female Domestic Servant Single 137 6
Erneshine E (Elizabeth) Russell 14 Aug 1917 Female Domestic Servant Single 137 6

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Stanton House, Stanton and Newhall (Derby), Burton upon Trent, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Lewis Barber Head Married Male 27 1854 Farmer of 335 acres employing 9 men & 4 boys Greasley, Nottinghamshire, England
Helen Barber Wife Married Female 21 1860 Farmers wife Callington, Cornwall, England
Susan Brown Servant Single Female 25 1856 Cook & dairymaid Stapenhill, Derbyshire, England
Elizabeth Mitchell Servant Single Female 23 1858 Housemaid Wiggington, Warwickshire, England

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
Barber John Lewis P Bakewell 7b 939
BELCHER Helen Gertrude Bakewell 7b 939

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Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1888 (>99%)
BARBER Helen Gertrude 28 Burton 6b 211

You give little information to help us help you

Is this the correct Lewis Barber?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BARBER, LEWIS BELCHER
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 395

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BARBER, STUART BELCHER
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 355

BARBER, GERTRUDE BELCHER
GRO Reference: 1882 S Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 371

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Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1932 (>99%)
Barber Lewis Hervey St.Martin 1a 997
Barber Lewis Vaughan St.Martin 1a 997
Hervey Kathleen M J Barber St.Martin 1a 997
VAUGHAN Kathleen M J BARBER St.Martin 1a 997

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Stanton House, Main Street, Stanton, Burton upon Trent, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Lewis Barber Head Widower Male 37 1854 Farmer Greasley, Nottinghamshire, England
Gertrude Barber Daughter - Female 8 1883 - Stanton, Derbyshire, England
Lewis Barber Son - Male 6 1885 - Stanton, Derbyshire, England
Stewart Barber Son - Male 4 1887 - Stanton, Derbyshire, England
Jessie L Belcher Sister in law - Female 25 1866 - Burton on Trent, Staffordshire, England
Mary Carter Servant Single Female 29 1862 Domestic servant barmaid Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Julia A Brearly Servant Single Female 23 1868 Domestic servant cook Newhall, Derbyshire, England
Caroline Ward Servant Single Female 18 1873 Domestic servant nurse Bosbury, Hertfordshire, England
Amy Carter Servant Single Female 18 1873 Domestic servant kitchen maid Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

As you have access to census records and bmd records, you need to follow up his own siblings I would have thought rather than the half siblings initially. Their marriages, children etc. Could be quite a lot by now!

Lewis Barber is my maternal grandmother's second husband. They married in 1932. He died in Tenterden in 1939. There were no children of the marriage.

I have come across a bible with nice gilt edged pages with the inscription in his distinctive round handwriting:
"Lewis Barber May 24th 1923 St. Matthew. Chapters 5, 6 & 7. Old Palace, Lincoln 4-30 Trinity Sunday".

Lewis had eight or nine siblings and half siblings that I can see from census entries.

I would love to return this bible to one of his family members and would be grateful for any research which could lead me to them, please.

Thank you.