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Does anyone have any information on the above.

He as born 16 October 1909 in Gravesend, Kent. His father was called Joseph John Taylor (but was born Joseph John Kemp). His mother was called Agnes Connell.

I am looking for his date and place of death and also did he marry and if so does anyone have details of his marriage(s).

Many thanks.

Have you done any research yourself?

Try looking at freebmd

For connections on here, look in ‘search all member trees’

When and where did the parents die? Who registered their deaths? Where and when were they married?

Are they on censuses after the child’s birth?

Once you have found the register references on freebmd you can apply to the GRO for certificates. A death certificate is often the only way to get the actual date of death.

Have you found him on the 1939 register?If he is not then your options are that he is dead, gone abroad, already signed up and in Barracks. Because of his age you should also check the CWGC to see if he died during the war - unless you know different.

Possibly in an industrial school in 1921

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Kent County Industrial School, Kingsnorth, Kent, England
First name(s) Jack
Institution description Kent County Industrial School, Kingsnorth
Last name Taylor
Parish Kingsnorth
Sex Male
Registration district West Ashford
Birth year 1908
Registration district number 55
Census date 19 June 1921
Sub-district Ashford
Age in years 13
Sub-district number 2
Age in months 3
Enumeration district number 17
Age as transcribed 13 y 3 m
County Kent
Relationship to head Inmate
Country England
Orphanhood Mother Dead
Parliamentary borough or division Kent PC, Ashford Div.
Birth place Northfleet, Kent, England
Archive The National Archives
Birth town Northfleet
Archive series RG 15
Birth county Kent
Piece number 04300
Birth country England
District reference RD 55 RS 2 ED 14, 15, 16, 17
Birth place as transcribed Kent, Northfleet
Schedule type code PPP
Nationality British Born
Schedule type Prison, multiple page, 70+ entries
Education Whole-Time
Other household member's first name(s) -
Language used to complete form English
Other household member's last name -
Person making return W H Griffen
Record set 1921 Census Of England & Wales
House name Kent County Industrial School
Category Census, land & surveys
Address Kent County Industrial School
Subcategory Census
Institution name Kent County Industrial School Kingsnorth
Collections from Great Britain, England

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Death
TAYLOR, AGNES 36
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 448

Birth

TAYLOR, JACK CONNELL
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 643

James Taylor in 1911
1911 Census For England & Wales
4 Cottage Place East Crescent Road Gravesend, Gravesend, Kent, England
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First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Taylor Head Widower Male 34 1877 Electrician and wireman Northumberland South Shields
Eliza Taylor Daughter - Female 12 1899 School Wells Nortfolk
James Taylor Son - Male 10 1901 School Gravesend Kent
Charles Taylor Son - Male 8 1903 School Gravesend Kent
Fredrick Taylor Son - Male 7 1904 School Gravesend Kent
William Taylor Son - Male 3 1908 - Gravesend Kent
John Taylor Son - Male 1 1910 - Gravesend Kent
Polly Taylor Mother Married Female 63 1848 - Wells Norfolk

So is calling him John on the census

Kingsnorth changed its name to Stanhope School before becoming an approved school in the 1930’s.

Kent History & Library centre could well have records of where the boys moved on to employment.
All above found by Googling Kingsnorth School.

So he remarried but had none of his children from his first marriage with him in 1921

Note not seeing an actual marriage

1921 Census Of England & Wales
66, Peppercroft Street, Gravesend, Kent, England

Household members (9 people)

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Joseph John Taylor Head Male 1875 45 Wells, Norfolk, England Ships Electrical Work Wireman For Electric Lighting Atlantic Transport Comp
Thirza Elizabeth Taylor Wife Female 1888 32 Stanhoe, Norfolk, England Home Duties -
Donald Arthur Taylor Son Male 1914 7 Gravesend, Kent, England - -
Harriett Elizabeth Taylor Daughter Female 1917 4 Gravesend, Kent, England - -
Edward Charles Taylor Son Male 1919 1 Gravesend, Kent, England - -
Reginald George Howell Nephew Male 1915 6 Gravesend, Kent, England - -
Susan Carmen Howell Sister-in-law Female 1895 25 Stanhoe, Norfolk, England Brewery Work Beer Trolly Worker Russells Brewery Comp
Helen Sophia Howell Sister-in-law Female 1900 21 Stanhoe, Norfolk, England Brewery Work Beer Trolly Worker Russells Brewery Comp
John James Howell Brother Male 1894 27 Stanhoe, Norfolk, England Cinema Attendant Cinema Comp

Unfortunately Jack and John Taylor are very common names, and he could have moved to anywhere when he left the Industrial School, assuming that's him in 1921.

There are lots of possible marriage and death records, all over the UK and abroad.


Perhaps he emigrated.
???? Just a suggestion - can't see this man in later records.

John Taylor
in the UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name John Taylor
Gender Male
Departure Age 29
Birth Date abt 1909
Departure Date 10 Dec 1938
Departure Port England
Ship Name Montrose
Shipping Line Canadian Pacific
Destination Port Halifax, Canada
Master H J Ferguson

Address: c/o CPR, London EC.
Occupation: Farming

Seems to be in a GR member's tree as JOHN.......try making contact.

John often becomes Jack, but unusual the other way round. Birth registered as Jack.

See 1911 census.......................

Doesn’t change the fact that he was registered as Jack.

I done a search for John Taylor in the family trees a person has also got a name for his half brother and I messaged her earlier today on that so I have sent a message to see if John/Jack might be the sameperson.

Virginia -
the child named John in the 1911 census is definitely Jack.
We know that because of the names of his parents and siblings.

In later life (after the 1921 census, when he's called Jack) he may have been known as either Jack or John.
So far, we haven't found definite records for him after that, as there are lots of Jack or John Taylors.

EDIT:
Oh, I see. I think I misunderstood your last post.
You mean that the person you have messaged has both John, and Jack's half-brother, in her tree.

Industrial schools usually trained their pupils to work in specific areas and in this case could well be farming.
Virginia really does need to contact Kent History & Library centre ( as I suggested this morning ) to see if they have any record of Jack.

The person has a John Taylor in their tree. They also have a Charles Edward Taylor in their tree that is Jack/John's half brother that I am looking for the same missing information.

Sorry for the confusion.

Jack's mother passed away and his father married Thirza Elizabeth Howell. However, I have never found the date and place of that married. However, when Thirza died she had the surname Taylor and the informant was her husband and it said she was his wife. From 1921 I have not found a trace of Jack Taylor but Taylor and names like Jack and John are very common.

‘Saying’ she was his wife doesn’t mean she actually was

She was married in 1905 to William Henry Goodwin, so any marriage to Taylor would not have been in her maiden name

Having said that, I can’t see one,

As a matter of interest, the DoB on her death reg isn’t accurate. Her birth was registered OND 1887

That right Jack's step mother Thirza had been married before to a William Henry Goodwin. I have looked up this both in the surames Howell and Goodwin. The other interesting things is that I have never traced the birth and death of William Henry Goodwin which might suggest that she was still married to him when she met Joseph John Taylor.