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PM sent to Michael to let him know there are replies here.

Hi folks, This is my first attempt at using the Community Boards and I am overwhelmed by the response. A Bernice Flowers at GR helped me get started back in 2007 and I have been 'dabbling" on and of since. Now aged 84 and the sole carer for my wife, who suffers with Dementia leaves me with small opportunities for research.
Searching paternal ancestors in Gloucestershire.
New found cousin in the USA (match DNA to GD of 2) believes our most likely connection is probably mid 1700s through a Richard Arters/Arthur (b.1738 or 1741 and died 1825). There are conflicting accounts of his birth. Some say the state of Pennsylvania while others ay London. A Doug Arters and Randall Arters (also a DNA match with me at a GD of 0) trace their heritage back Joseph Cyrus Arters (1793 - 1875). Joseph was a son of Richard Arters.

I am comfortable with my line thru Henry Arthur 1828 - 1897 and married to Amelia Hitchman 1830 - 1885 and John Bedley Arthur 1798 - 1885 and married to Sarah Keen 1801 -
Uncertain from here

I don’t know what GD means, but experts believe that a match of less than around 25-30 centimorgans or less is too unreliable.
It can also be difficult to find correct lines from the 1700’s unless you are lucky with records as you have to work through every member of the family at each generation.

A good website for finding what records are available is GENUKI. Google Genuki place name.

Added: so GD is genetic distance and GD of 0 means a match of less than 6-8 generations and 2 is less than 11 or within 500 years.

I've had a look at some of the trees on Ancestry, many of them attribute a middle initial "J", which does not appear on the 1738 baptismal record - so that would raise some suspicions.
I don't have Ancestry World so can't look at the Amercian references but can see from Find a Grave that he is said to have been born in 1738 in London.

Were Henry Arthur 1828 and John Bedley Arthur 1798 born in the US?

I do realise you have a lot on your mind but it does really help if you say where people were born etc.

Henry Arthur’s English baptism record is on this thread

The John Arthur who married Sarah Keen was baptised 1801 at Snowshill…again, info on this thread

This is his burial..................

Name John Arthur
Age 60
Birth Date abt 1801
Burial Date 1 Jul 1861
Burial Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears Bourton on the Hill

I have no idea where the poster got the info about the 1885 death to which he refers



1861

Name John Harthur
Gender Male
Age 60
Relation Head
Estimated Birth Year 1801
Where born Snowshil, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Bourton on the Hill
County/Island Gloucestershire
Country England
Registration district Shipston on Stour
Sub-registration district Moreton
ED, institution, or vessel 5d
Neighbors View others on page
Household schedule number 113
Piece 2238
Folio 84
Page number 20
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Harthur 60 Head..Widower..........Stone Mason
Mary Haurther 30 Daughter

Name Sarah Arthur
Age 66
Birth Date abt 1795
Burial Date 26 Jan 1861
Burial Place Bourton on the Hill, Gloucestershire, England

The middle name Bedley is only mentioned twice. Once by Michael in the early hours of this morning and me later.
I couldn't find a birth in that name.

This is a useful list of old parishes and when records go back to:
https://www.hidden-heritage.co.uk/research/sources/parish-registers/

I am not suggesting using their research services.

On Ancestry
John Bedley Arthur
Killeen Family Tree
Matching Person details
Father Robt Arter
Mother Hannah
Birth 1798 Stanway, Gloucestershire, England
Death 1802 St John, Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada

I'll let others evaluate the above :-S :-S

John Bedley Arter died in 1876 in Worcestershire, and did NOT marry Sarah Keen.

John Bedley Arter
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name John Bedley Arter
Gender Male
Baptism Date 27 May 1798
Baptism Place Stanway,Gloucester,England
Father Robert Arter
Mother Hannah
FHL Film Number 427778




John Bedney Arter
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name John Bedney Arter
Age 79
Estimated Birth Year abt 1797
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place King's Norton, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Death Date Dec 1876
Inferred Death Place Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Volume 6c
Page 266

John Bedney Arter
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name John Bedney Arter
Death Date 25 Nov 1876
Death Place Worcester, Worcestershire, England
Probate Date 12 May 1877
Probate Registry Worcester

ARTER: John Bedney
12 May 1877.
Administration of the effects of John Bedney Arter of Cox-street-west Balsall Heath in the county of Worcester, gentleman, who died 25 November 1876 at Cox-street-west was granted at Worcester to Thomas Richard Arter of Hill House, George-street Balsall Heath, manufacturer, the son and one of the next of kin.


The son's baptism:

Thomas Richard Arter
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name Thomas Richard Arter
Gender Male
Baptism Date 4 Aug 1833
Baptism Place Bordesley,Warwick,England
Father John Arter
Mother Hannah
FHL Film Number 812084, 812085



John Arter
in the 1861 England Census
Name John Arter
Gender Male
Age 62
Relation Head
Estimated Birth Year 1799
Spouse's Name Hannah Arter
Where born Stanway, Gloucestershire, England <<<<<<<
Civil parish Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish St Luke
County/Island Warwickshire
Country England
Registration district Birmingham
Sub-registration district St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel 1
Neighbors
Household schedule number 72
Piece 2140
Folio 10
Page number 13
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Arter 62 Head
Hannah Arter 59 Wife - Snitterfield, Warwickshire
Sarah A Simpson 14 Granddaughter


John Archer
in the 1871 England Census
Name John Archer
Age 73
Estimated Birth Year 1798
Relation Head
Gender Male
Where born Starney, Herefordshire, England
Civil parish Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish St Luke
Town Birmingham
County/Island Warwickshire
Country England
Registration district Birmingham
Sub-registration district St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel 1
Household schedule number 40
Piece 3103
Folio 6
Page number 5
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Archer 73 Head
Hannah Archer 69 Wife
Thomas Mary Edmonds 9 Granddaughter [Florence Mary Edmonds on image ]
John Archer 14 Grandson


John Arter
in the Warwickshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1910
Name John Arter
Event Type Marriage
Marriage or Bann Date 22 Oct 1821
Marriage or Bann Place Snitterfield, Warwickshire, England
Parish Snitterfield
Spouse
Hannah Hutchins



Hannah Arter
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name Hannah Arter
Age 75
Estimated Birth Year abt 1802
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place King's Norton, Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Death Date Mar 1877
Inferred Death Place Worcestershire, United Kingdom
Volume 6c
Page 266

Such a shame that Michael thinks this is ‘answered’ as he has entirely the wrong JOHN Arthur for Sarah Keen’s husband, and hasn’t acknowledged that PHILIP is NOT his ancestor

Sent PM to let him know there are more replies.

EDIT:
PM of thanks received 24 Oct.
Michael will be back to the thread when his caring commitments allow.

Thank you al so much for the efforts that you have made on my behalf. There is so much to digest and a few corrections that I need to make.
Good to know that Philip is not an ancestor I have travelled the wrong path before.
It is mentioned that there is another GR member who has details of a John Arthur however I do not know how to contact him, tried Hot matches.
Very sorry to see Charlotte ending her days in a Workhouse.

To try to contact someone else with a shared name, go to ‘search’ at the top right. From the dropdown, select ‘search all member trees’. Enter the ancestor’s name and birth year (if known) and when you find the relevant one, click on ‘find out more’ against the tree owner’s name. Send a message and hope that the person is able/willing to reply

Just to add, Hot Matches haven’t been updated for years.

. . . and were usually not relatives in any case, but just people who happened to have the same names as people in your tree.

.......... and sometimes not even connected, as in the example below, which I have kept for many years ...........


Mary Smith
Y.O.B: 1779
Place: Launton, Oxfordshire
Children: 4

with

Elizabeth Powell
Y.O.B: 1685
Place: Towcester, Northamptonshire


:-S :-S :-S :-S :-S

As is obvious, I do not get the opportunity to spend time on my family tree and apologise for not responding. I had hoped to be in a retirement apartment by now which would provide time for my tree and my wife would benefit from their activities. However, the sale of our home first listed in October '23 is proving difficult in these times of recession.
I will endeavour to do better.