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Brian
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9 Jul 2023 15:45 |
For several years I and others have been trying to find a connection between 2 families.Then facts are as follows. In c1888 a Margaret Simpson was born in Edinburgh as 1 of 12 children to a John Simpson c1841 tailor and Elizabeth Henderson c1845 - 1889. In 1891 census Margaret was shown as an adopted daughter of Henry McPeak c1840-1918 and his wife Margaret Turnbull c1842-1910 who had 12 children in their own right.In the 1901 census Margaret was shown as a McPeak.
The quest is to establish a link between Simpson & McPeak.
I know that Henry's brother - Charles 1842 tailor married an Elizabeth Simpson of Carnwath but I have found no link in that direction. Going back to Margaret her mother was born to Andrew Henderson C1809 (also I think a tailor)and Ann Riva c 1809 - c 1866 and she was born to Paul Riva c1786 and Margaret Lyon c1786. It is interesting that one of Henry McPeak's children was called Ann Riva H McPeak pointing to a link with Riva. Research has shown that there is a lot of tailors on the Simpson side As said before there appears to be a llnk between McPeak and Simpson but what it is in a blood line link ,so far, has eluded several people Brian Ewart
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9 Jul 2023 16:24 |
I don’t have Scotlands People so can’t help. But playing devils advocate an adopted child doesn’t mean that there is a blood relationship.
You mention blood line links - does that mean that you have taken a dna test but can’t join the dots?
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 16:27 |
If you would care to C&P the census records, it would be much easier to assimilate the info you are asking us to consider
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ArgyllGran
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9 Jul 2023 16:34 |
For our reference:
Margaret appears to have McPeak as a middle name in 1891:
Margaret McP Simpson in the 1891 Scotland Census Name Margaret McP Simpson Age 3 Estimated Birth Year abt 1888 Relationship Adopted Daur (Adopted) Gender Female Where born Edinr, Midlothian Registration Number 685/4 Registration district St Giles Civil parish Edinburgh New North County Midlothian Address 31 Blair Street ED 15 Household schedule number 26 Line 13 Roll CSSCT1891_350 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Henry McPeak 51 Head Margaret T McPeak 49 Wife Jane McPeak 27 Daur (Daughter) Catherine McPeak 23 Daur (Daughter) Henry McPeak 18 Son Margaret McPeak 16 Daur (Daughter) Johan McPeak 9 Daur (Daughter) Margaret McP Simpson 3 Adopted Daur (Adopted)
This is the birth of the Simpsons' child - NOTE that her middle name is Turnbull:
SIMPSON MARGARET TURNBU[LL] mmn HENDERSON F 1887 685 / 4 / 1303 St Giles
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 16:39 |
How have you proved that the child living with the Mcpeaks in 1891 is the one whose parents you have named? Why do you assume that there was a blood link? If it is the same child, she may simply have been taken in because her mother died in 1889.
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census 31, Blair Street, New North or West St Giles, St Giles, Midlothian, Scotland
Henry McPeak Head Married Male 51 1840 Brass finisher Midlothian, Scotland Margaret T McPeak Wife Married Female 49 1842 - Midlothian, Scotland Jane McPeak Daughter Unmarried Female 27 1864 Warehouse girl Midlothian, Scotland Catherine McPeak Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1868 Machine girl Midlothian, Scotland Henry McPeak Son Unmarried Male 18 1873 Plumber apprentice Midlothian, Scotland Margaret McPeak Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1875 Machine girl Midlothian, Scotland Johan McPeak Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Midlothian, Scotland Margaret Mcp Simpson Adopted daughter - Female 3 1888 - Midlothian, Scotland
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 16:46 |
Where was JOHN c1841 born? WHO were HIS parents?
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 16:57 |
Name John Simpson Gender Male Marriage Date 27 Sep 1861 Marriage Place Edinburgh, Edinburghshire, Scotland, United Kingdom Spouse Elizabeth Henderson FHL Film Number 224187
Name John Simpson Age 29 Estimated Birth Year abt 1842 Relationship Head Spouse's Name Elizabeth Simpson Gender Male Where born Edinburgh Registration Number 685/3 Registration district Canongate Civil parish Edinburgh Canongate County Midlothian Address 188 Canongate & St Johns Close Occupation Tailor ED 94A Household schedule number 100 Line 1 Roll CSSCT1871_162 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship John Simpson 29 Head Elizabeth Simpson 25 Wife Henry Simpson 3 Son Archibald Simpson 1 Son Archibald 45 Boarder
1881 Name John Simpson Age 39 Estimated Birth Year abt 1842 Relationship Head Spouse's Name Elizabeth Simpson Gender Male Where born Edinburgh Registration Number 685/4 Registration district St Giles Civil parish Edinburgh St Giles County Midlothian Address 21 Blair Street Common Stair Occupation Tailor ED 2 Household schedule number 35 Line 10 Roll cssct1881_289 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship John Simpson 39 Head Elizabeth Simpson 36 Wife John Simpson 9 Son Henry Simpson 7 Son David Simpson 5 Son Andrew Simpson 3 Son William Simpson 11 Mo Son
Name Henry Mc Peak Simpson Gender Male Birth Date 9 May 1874 Birth Place Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland Father John Simpson Mother Elizabeth Henderson
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ArgyllGran
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9 Jul 2023 16:58 |
John Simpson and Elizabeth Henderson also had a son whose middle name was McPeak:
SIMPSON HENRY MCPEAK mmn HENDERSON M 1874 685 / 3 / 434 Canongate
Henry Mc Peak Simpson in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950 Name Henry Mc Peak Simpson Gender Male Birth Date 9 May 1874 Birth Place Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Father John Simpson Mother Elizabeth Henderson
John Simpson in the 1881 Scotland Census Name John Simpson Age 39 Estimated Birth Year abt 1842 Relationship Head Spouse's Name Elizabeth Simpson Gender Male Where born Edinburgh Registration Number 685/4 Registration district St Giles Civil parish Edinburgh St Giles County Midlothian Address 21 Blair Street Common Stair Occupation Tailor ED 2 Household schedule number 35 Line 10 Roll cssct1881_289 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship John Simpson 39 Head Elizabeth Simpson 36 Wife John Simpson 9 Son Henry Simpson 7 Son David Simpson 5 Son Andrew Simpson 3 Son William Simpson 11 Mo Son
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ArgyllGran
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9 Jul 2023 17:07 |
Ann Riva McPeak's other middle name was Henderson:
MCPEAK ANNIE RIVA HEND[erson] F 1879 685 / 3 / 916 Canongate
If there's a blood link, it could be between any two of the four names - Henderson, Turnbull, McPeak, Simpson. Not necessarily just between Simpson and McPeak.
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 17:10 |
Jane Simpson Birth 16 May 1862 Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland John, Elizabeth
Archibald Clark Simpson Birth 21 Feb 1870 Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland John, Elizabeth
Henry Mc Peak Simpson Birth 9 May 1874 Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland John, Elizabeth
John Simpson Birth 31 Jul 1866 Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland John, Elizabeth
Henry Mc Peck Simpson Birth 1 Nov 1867 Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland John, Elizabeth
John Simpson Birth 18 May 1872 Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland John, Elizabeth
Ann Davidson Simpson Birth 16 Oct 1864 Edinburgh Parish,Edinburgh,Midlothian,Scotland John, Elizabeth
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ArgyllGran
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9 Jul 2023 17:12 |
[Following on from my last post, re Ann Riva ]
Also a daughter Isabella:
MCPEAK ISABELLA HENDER[son] mmn TURNBULL F 1877 685 / 3 / 945 Canongate
And Johan McPeaks' middle name was Simpson:
MCPEAK JOHAN SIMPSON mmn TURNBULL F 1881 685 / 3 / 829 Canongate
Isabella died in infancy:
MCPEAK ISABELLA HENDER[son] 1 TURNBULL F 1878 685 / 3 / 801 Canongate
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 17:12 |
HENDERSON ELIZABETH 45 REEVIE F 1889 685 / 3 / 683 CANONGATE
SIMPSON ELIZABETH 45 REEVIE F 1889 685 / 3 / 683 CANONGATE
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 17:43 |
Name Henry McPeak Gender Male Marriage Date 14 Jan 1862 Marriage Place Edinburgh, Edinburghshire, Scotland, United Kingdom Spouse Margret Turnbull
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ArgyllGran
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9 Jul 2023 17:46 |
Henry McPeak seems to have been born Bernard, and his mother's name was Duncan - so no blood link there:
MCPEAK BERNARD BERNARD MCPEAK / ELISABETH DUNCAN Male 10/3/1840 (Birth) 29/3/1840 (Baptism) Edinburgh, St Mary's Cathedral
Bernard Mcpeck in the 1841 Scotland Census Name Bernard Mcpeck Age 1 3 Mo Estimated Birth Year abt 1840 Gender Male Where born Midlothian, Scotland Civil parish Edinburgh Old Church County Midlothian Address Jollya Land Parish Number 685/1 Household Members (Name) Age Barney Mcpeck 36 Elizabeth Mcpeck 38 Wm Mcpeck 12 Bernard Mcpeck 1 3 Mo Catherine Mcgrath 10 Elizabeth Mcgrath 8
Bernard Peak in the 1851 Scotland Census Name Bernard Peak Age 11 Estimated Birth Year abt 1840 Relationship Brother Mother Elisabeth Peak Gender Male Where born Edinr, Midlothian Parish Number 685/1 Civil parish Edinburgh Old Church County Midlothian Address Milnes Close Occupation Scholar ED 2 Page 2 Household schedule number 8 Line 20 Roll CSSCT1851_178 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Thomas Mc Garth 21 Head Ann McGarth 21 Wife Elisabeth Peak 48 Mother Bernard Peak 11 Brother Charels Peak 9 Brother
Henry Mcpeak in the 1861 Scotland Census Name Henry Mcpeak Age 21 Estimated Birth Year abt 1840 Relationship Son Mother's Name Elizabeth Mcpeak Gender Male Where born Canongate, edinr Registration Number 685/5 Registration district Newington Civil parish Edinburgh St Cuthberts County Midlothian Address 68 East Cross Causeway Occupation Brass Finisher ED 50 Household schedule number 58 Line 5 Roll CSSCT1861_129 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Elizabeth Mcpeak 57 Head Henry Mcpeak 21 Son William Allen 21 Boarder
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 17:46 |
1851 Name Margaret Furnbull [Turnbull] Age 8 Estimated Birth Year abt 1843 Relationship Daughter Father Alexander Furnbull Mother Elizabeth Furnbull Gender Female Where born Edinburgh, Midlothian Parish Number 685/2 Civil parish Edinburgh St Cuthberts County Midlothian Address Roy's Court ED 56 Page 3 Household schedule number 16 Line 11 Roll CSSCT1851_183 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Alexander Furnbull 39 Head Elizabeth Furnbull 37 Wife......nee Dickson Margaret Furnbull 8 Daughter
Name Elizabeth Dickson Gender Female Marriage Date 8 Jan 1838 Marriage Place Edinburgh, Edinburghshire, Scotland, United Kingdom Father Adam Dickson Spouse Alexander Turnbull.........father not named
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 17:54 |
Name Elizabeth Duncan Gender Female Burial Age 75 Birth Date abt 1803 Residence Date May 1878 Death Date 20 1878 Burial Date 22 May 1878 Burial Place Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Cemetery Colinton Parish Colinton Spouse Bernard McPeak
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 17:59 |
Name Eliza Simpson Gender Female Marriage Date 3 Jun 1864 Marriage Place Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland Spouse Charles McPeak
If you get the cert from SP..........for a few credits, you will learn parents' names.
Name Eliza Simpson McPeak Death Age 73 Birth Date 24 May 1824 Death Date 8 Nov 1897 Death Place Port Chalmers, Dunedin Cemetery Northern Burial Place Port Chalmers, Otago, Dunedin Spouse Charles McPeak
Name Charles McPeak Gender Male Birth Date 1842 Birth Place Scotland Death Date 20 Jul 1919 Death Place Dunedin City, Otago, New Zealand Cemetery Northern Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place Dunedin, Dunedin City, Otago, New Zealand Spouse Eliza Simpson McPeak
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Free Church School, Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland John Simpson Head Widower Male 25 1836 Tailor & clothier Carnwath, Lanarkshire, Scotland John E A Simpson Son Unmarried Male 1 1860 Son Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland Eliza Simpson Sister Unmarried Female 34 1827 House keeper Carnwath, Lanarkshire, Scotland Jessie Orr Visitor Unmarried Female 4 1857 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Robert Dawson Boarder Unmarried Male 22 1839 Journeyman tailor St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland Charles McPeak Boarder Unmarried Male 19 1842 Journeyman tailor Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Lower Village, Corstorphine, Midlothian, Scotland Charles McPeak Head Married Male 29 1842 Tailor Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland Eliza McPeak Wife Married Female 38 1833 - Lanarkshire, Scotland John Simpson McPeak Son - Male 5 1866 Scholar Corstorphine, Midlothian, Scotland James Limeburner Orr Nephew Unmarried Male 15 1856 Tailor Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 18:07 |
MCPEAK CHARLES BERNARD MCPEAK / BRIDGET DUNCAN MALE 24/1/1842 6/2/1842 EDINBURGH, ST MARY'S CATHEDRAL
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ArgyllGran
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9 Jul 2023 18:12 |
Henry McPeak's mother's maiden surname was Duncan. Elizabeth Henderson mother was Riva. John Simpson's mother (per his marriage cert) was Davidson. Margaret Turnbull's mother (per marriage cert) was Dickson.
As Brian says, no obvious link among any of them.
The McPeak and Simpson families must have been at least very good friends from at least the time the two couples married, to have given their various surnames as middle names to several children, and for the McPeaks to have taken in young Margaret after her mother died (I agree with ErikaH's suggestion)..
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ErikaH
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9 Jul 2023 18:15 |
Sorry, lost my post - just had a violent storm which affected the system
I was suggesting that the links were purely down to the various marriages.................and one didn't have to be a blood relation to do the charitable thing and take in a wee child whose mother had died.
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