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I have a marriage between Edward Flatman b. Nov 1755 and Elizabeth Moreland.
Although I found the marriage it doesn't give a date?? But the first child was born in 1795.

They had 3 children as far as I can establish
Martha Flatman b 1795

Thomas Flatman b 1798
d 1875
m. Harriett West 1831
b.1811
d.1869 (Norfolk)

John Flatman b. 1802
d. 1859
m.Harriett Coleman 1829
b.1810
d.1869

So I have all the family details for the son's marriages and children etc but what I am trying to find to complete my research is when was Elizabeth Moreland born and what date did she marry Edward? They came from the Wortham area/Norfolk.

I got most of these details from family search.

Can anyone offer any suggestions please?
Thanks

Florence in the Hebrides

Nothing on FMP or Ancestry

Try contacting the County FHS..............Wortham is apparently in Suffolk

http://suffolkfhs.co.uk/

Have you looked for the woman's death?
Have you looked for a possible baptism for her?

I can't see that finding a marriage date will actually be of any help towards establishing her birth date

You say you 'found' the marriage - please C&P the info to help us.

Have you proved that Edward born 1755 was the father of the children born from 1795 onwards?

Just for INFO

Name Martha Flatman
Sex Female
Father's Name Edward Flatman
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Elizabeth Moreland
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening
Event Date 2 Aug 1795
Event Place Wortham, Suffolk, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Wortham, Suffolk County, England

Finding the marriage date will just complete some detail, if I cant establish it, it doesn't matter too much.

The wedding was listed on Family.search.org
It lists 3 christenings with both the parents names. So he is def the father.

There are many Elizabeth Flatmans so Its quite difficult to establish when she died.

Yes sorry Suffolk it is, some Flatmans were from Norfolk too, huge family.

I realise that the father's name is Edward, but I wondered whether he might not have been born as early as 1755...........

There is NO record of a marriage on any site that I can find...............
The father's name on a baptism record doesn't prove that a marriage took place, although one might assume that it had

This death can be eliminated

Name Elizabeth Flatman
Gender Female
Marital Status Married
Death Age 46
Birth Date 1772
Death Date abt 1818
Burial Date 21 Aug 1818
Burial Place Wortham, Suffolk, England
Spouse James Flatman

At least one GR member has most of these names in a GR tree - others have some of them. Try making contact

Why wont it let me c & P from family.search?

The 1st son Thomas Flatman's christening

Elizabeth Moreland Flatman spouses & children
Thomas Flatman
Father
Edward-
Mother- Elizabeth Moreland Flatman
Christening
6 may 1798
Wotham Suffolk


Well I have gone back further. Edwards parents were
Benjamin Flatman
b 1736
d 1826
M. 1753
Mary Filbey
b. 1736 Norwich
d.?

So as they got married in 1753, it is acceptable to think he was born in 1755 2 years after. It does seem that Edward was quite old when he married at 40

With that in mind, I think Elizabeth must have been younger than him as unlikely she had her 1st child say at 40 but hey ho, that's just logic and not fact!

There is also an Edward Flatman b 1777-ish, with parents Benjamin and Martha(note)

C&P from familysearch

Name Thomas Flatman
Sex Male
Father's Name Edward Flatman
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Elizabeth Moreland Flatman
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Christening
Event Date 6 May 1798
Event Place Suffolk, England
Event Place (Original) Parish of Wortham Jervis & Evered, Co. of Suffolk, England
Source Details p 14 no 5

A tree on Ancestry claims that Benjamin Flatman & Mary Filby's son Edward married an Elizabeth MORFY in Wortham on 11 Oct 1778.

Apparently that marriage is on FMP.

However, the tree also claims that Martha and Thomas are the children of that couple, in spite of their baptisms clearly giving Elizabeth's name as Moreland - so maybe not a trustworthy tree.

Suggested (by FMP, who link it to his baptism) marriage for Edward b1755

First name(s) Edward
Last name Flatman
Spouse parish -
Gender Male
County Suffolk
Marriage year 1778
Country England
Marriage date 11 Oct 1778
Record set Suffolk Marriage Index
Place Wortham
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Church St Mary
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth
Spouse's last name Moully

You need to try to contact the people on here who have the same names as you in their trees

I suppose Moully could be Moreland mis-heard and spelled as the clerk thought it sounded.

Then Morfy could be a guesswork transcription of badly-handwritten Moully.

Edward b 1755 had a brother

Name Benjamin Flatman
Gender Male
Baptism Date 7 Apr 1754
Baptism Place Suffolk, England
Father Benjamin Flatman
FHL Film Number 887381
Reference ID #4 Parish Wortham

Name Benjamin Flatman
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Death Age 73
Birth Date 1753
Death Date abt 1826
Burial Date 12 Feb 1826
Burial Place Wortham, England
FHL Film Number 989542

Ty Erika & AG for that info and it sounds possible except if they married in 1778, strange how their 1st child Martha was't born until 1795?

Well thankyou for looking and all your help.

Its my friends tree, so I shall be in contact with her and try to see if any other family members can shed some light.
It has taken me 6 months to do this tree for her as it was so huge.

But as I said, if I cant find Elizabeth's birth/marriage, nevermind.

Florence in the hebrides

So you don't plan on contacting the GR members who are connected?

Oh yes, i sent a message to one member, just waiting on it being opened

i will come back with any news

Please do - it would be interesting to find out ;-) ;-)

I got one reply but they didn't have the info.

The other message I sent hasn't been opened, how do I know if they are still a member on here?

I'm afraid you don't....................unless you can find posts on the message boards and check their status there.

But, be patient, it's hardly any time since you sent the message