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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Mar 2023 17:50

Joseph senior's birth, which hasn't been posted yet:

MCMEHAN
JOSEPH
mmn ROBISON
M
1880
668 / 176
Linlithgow

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Mar 2023 17:46

Who - exactly - is your PROVEN relation in this line?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Mar 2023 14:20

Re 1911 -

Margaret may be a mistranscription.
It may be that the transcriber mis-read "Mary" as "Marg" or Margt".

Or the enumerator got confused with the mother's name being Margaret.


EDIT:
Have just had a look - curiosity got the better of me.

The daughter Margaret is clearly written as Margaret, so it's probably a mistake by the enumerator.

It's definitely the right family, as there's also a boarder with them:
Catherine McAlpine, 18, single, factory worker at explosives works, born in Linlithgow.

This is Catherine's birth, which makes her a sister of Margaret/Maggie, Joseph's wife.:

MCALPINE
CATHERINE
mmn MCGREGOR
F
1892
668 / 104
Linlithgow


The father Joseph McMeechan is a railway engine driver, born in Linlithgow.
In fact, the whole household is said to be born in Linlithgow.
Their address in 1911 is 14 West Port, Linlithgow

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Mar 2023 13:49

Joseph snr's death?

MCMEECHAN
JOSEPH
77
M
1958
486 / 32
Polmont and Muiravonside

and

MCMEECHAN
MARGARET
79
F
1961
486 / 64
Polmont and Muiravonside

did Joseph jnr return?


MCMEECHAN
JOSEPH
87
MCALPINE
M
1995
485 / 52
Polmont and Muiravonside


sorry must away now.

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Mar 2023 13:45

MCMECHEN
JOSEPH
MCALINE
M
1907
668 / 155
Linlithgow


and

MCMEHEN
MARY JANE ROBER
MCALPINE
F
1903
668 / 47
Linlithgow


Think Margaret is either a mistake on the 1911 or it's what she was known as.

Sylann

Sylann Report 22 Mar 2023 13:43

Got a Joseph 1907 Linlithgow MMN Mcaline ?? error so that looks promising for the 1911 census

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Mar 2023 13:39

Joseph jnr going to Canada.

Name: Joseph McMechan
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 17
Birth Year: abt 1910
Birth Country: Scotland
Departure Port: Greenock, Scotland
Arrival Date: 10 Sep 1927
Arrival Port: Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Montrose


b in Linlithgow, race was Irish, he was a miner going to brother in law Mr Martin in Peterboro. His father was J McMechan of 8 ?? Place, Polmont.

Sylann

Sylann Report 22 Mar 2023 13:38

Not sure about the 1911 census nothing is showing up on SP for births of Margaret or Joseph

Sylann

Sylann Report 22 Mar 2023 13:20

Could be I've got so many different children ? but Janet matches and may be Margaret 29 for Maggie? I'll see what I can sort out

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Mar 2023 13:09

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Linlithgow Bridge Village, Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph McMehen Head
Married Male 28 1853 Railway surfaceman Ireland
Mary Jane McMehen Wife
Married Female 38 1843 - Ireland
William A McMehen Son
- Male 9 1872 Scholar Ireland
Mary Ann McMehen Daughter
- Female 6 1875 Scholar Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Nancy McMehen Daughter
- Female 5 1876 Scholar Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Jane McMehen Daughter
- Female 3 1878 - Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
>>Joseph McMehen Son
- Male 0 1881 - Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Falkirk Road, Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph McMeuchen Head
Married Male 48 1853 Platelayer n b ry Ireland
Mary Jane Polinson Or Mcmeuchen Wife
Married Female 58 1843 - Ireland
Joseph McMeuchen Son
Single Male 20 1881 Fireman n b ry Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Catherine McMeuchen Daughter
Single Female 17 1884 Paper mill worker Stirlingshire, Scotland
George McMeuchen Son
Single Male 15 1886 Engine cleaner n b ry Stirlingshire, Scotland

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Mar 2023 13:02

MCMEECHAN
JOSEPH
1911
M
30
668/ 4/ 1
Linlithgow
West Lothian

with Margaret 29, Janet 9, Joseph 3 and Margaret 8.

Is this your family still in Linlithgow in 1911?


Same family in 1921?


MCMEECHAN
JOSEPH
1921
M
40
486/ 6/ 19
Muiravonside
Stirling


with Margaret 39, Joseph 13, Mary Jane 18, George 9 and Maegaret 2.

Sylann

Sylann Report 22 Mar 2023 11:54

Good morning just you beat me to it yes I've got all that I was a bit concerned about Mary Jane But it doesn't matter as yet don't think she is related only by marriage

The children's births that you put on yes they are mine But different family

I'm going to check now and make sure I've got the right children for the right parents??

Thank you for all your help

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Mar 2023 09:27

Maggie Mcalpine
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Maggie Mcalpine
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: George Mcalpine
Mother's Name: Maggie Mcalpine
Gender: Female
Where born: Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire
Registration Number: 668
Registration district: Linlithgow
Civil parish: Linlithgow
Town: Linlithgow
County: West Lothian
Address: 251 High Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 66
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1891_326
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
George Mcalpine 30 Head - shoemaker
Maggie Mcalpine 29 Wife
Maggie Mcalpine 9 Daughter
Janet Mcalpine 4 Daughter
Nellie Mcalpine 1 Daughter

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Mar 2023 09:16

The 1901 census ErikaH mentioned (name transcribed as McMerchen on Ancestry):

Joseph Mc Merchen
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Joseph Mc Merchen
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane Polidson
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 668
Registration district: Linlithgow
Civil parish: Linlithgow
County: West Lothian
Address: Falkirk Road
Occupation: Platelayer N B Ry
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 92
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1901_357
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Joseph Mc Merchen 48 Head - Platelayer, North British Railway.
Mary Jane Polidson 58 Wife
Mary Jane Mc Merchen 58 Wife
Joseph Mc Merchen 20 Son
Catherine Mc Merchen 17 Daur (Daughter)
George Mc Merchen 15 Son


Polidson may well be a mistranscription of Robinson.
Another 6 credits on SP would let you see the original document.


Possible marriage of parents ??:

SR District/Reg Area - Monaghan
Marriage of JOSEPH MCMECHAN and MARY ROBINSON
on 28 November 1870

Party 1 Name JOSEPH MCMECHAN
Party 2 Name MARY ROBINSON
Date of Event 28 November 1870
Group Registration ID 2737703
SR District/Reg Area Monaghan

On 28 Nov 1870.
Joseph McMechan, full age, bachelor, labourer.
Address: Feragh, Monaghan.
Father: Andrew McMechan, labourer

Mary Jane Robison, full age, spinster.
Address: Creevagh, Tullycorbet (?)
Father: Adam Robison, labourer.

Witnesses: Owen McCabe and Charles McMechan.

Both Joseph and Mary Jane only made their marks.
Mary Jane's name is ROBISON in the record, but the name provided where she made her mark is ROBINSON.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Mar 2023 09:03

No, AG, I didn’t look at cert - merely searched on FMP for ‘Joseph’ In Linlithgow in 1901 ;-) ;-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Mar 2023 08:48

Had a look at the marriage cert to see parents' names (and I guess ErikaH has also done so):

14 June 1901, at 225 High Street, Linlithgow.
Joseph McMehan, railway fireman, bachelor, 20.
Usual residence: Linlithgow Bridge.
Parents: Joseph McMehan, railway platelayer, and Mary Jane McMehan, maiden surname Robertson.

Maggie McAlpine, spinster, 19.
Usual residence: Linlithgow Bridge.
Parents: George McAlpine, shoemaker, deceased, and Margaret McAlpine, maiden surname McGregor.

Witnesses: Alfred Pownie (Downie ?) and Janet McAlpine.



Sylann

Sylann Report 21 Mar 2023 19:34

Thank you
I got the marriage certificate for Joseph and Maggie opened a can of worms ???
My McAlpine named their children with the same names getting this certificate I've realised that some that I got from other people are for the wrong family
Yes it does look as though they could be related but I'm going to leave it for tonight and take it up again tomorrow

The McMeechen is spelt so many different ways McMehen is one??

Thank you again back tomorrow hopefully I'll be OK

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Mar 2023 19:15

Without birth year info from the OP, it’s bit of a lottery, but

There’s a Joseph McMeuchen b, 1881 with father Joseph 1853, b IRELAND in Linlithgow in 1901 per FMP
Wife of Joseph snr is Mary jane Polinson or Mcmeuchen

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Mar 2023 18:43

Births of other likely siblings of Janet:

MCMECHEN
GEORGE MCALPINE
MCALPINE
M
1911
668 / 149
Linlithgow


MCMEECHAN
AGNES DOWNIE
mmn MCALPINE
F
1915
668 / 82
Linlithgow

MCMEECHAN
MAGGIE MCALPINE
mmn MCALPINE
F
1904
668 / 139
Linlithgow

MCMEECHAN
JAMES HANLON MC[alpine]
mmn MCALPINE
M
1907
668 / 174
Linlithgow

MCMEECHAN
ROBERT TWEED
mmn MCALPINE
M
1906
668 / 170
Linlithgow

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Mar 2023 18:23

Don't know if this person is related or not:

Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Joseph McMechan
Gender Male
Arrival Age 17
Birth Year
1910
Birth Country Scotland [ born Linlithgow]
Departure Port Greenock, Scotland
Arrival Date 10 Sep 1927
Arrival Port Quebec, Canada
Vessel Montrose


His birth.

MCMEECHAN
JOSEPH
M
1912
668 / 155
Linlithgow

Might possibly be a brother of Janet - but you'd need to see the birth cert.

Unfortunately, SP hasn't transcribed mmn on all births yet, though they're working on it