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20 Feb 2023 00:42 |
I wonder if anyone can help. I am trying to find descendants of this lady whose father was my great uncle. I would appreciate any help at all
thank you
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SylviaInCanada
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20 Feb 2023 03:52 |
More information needed, Elizabeth
Which country?
does "m" mean an initial or short for "married"
Is the surname spelled correctly?
I've just spent a few minutes, and there doesn't seem to be anything easy to find in England or Wales.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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20 Feb 2023 07:28 |
What country please
Who is the great uncle ?
More info needed I,m afraid
An initial search doesn’t find her name anywhere
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2023 09:31 |
No record on FMP anywhere in the world of surname Colutts. Is the spelling correct?
You could get a copy of her death cert for details of informant
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20 Feb 2023 10:08 |
I can’t find anything, birth or death, on Ancestry.
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20 Feb 2023 10:32 |
I wonder if you mean Coutts ???
If so, it's quite a common name - but even if the name is Coutts, there's no death in 1989 in England, Scotland, or Wales for an Elizabeth Coutts born in 1901.
Is Colutts (or whatever it is) her maiden name or married name?
There are four births of girls named Elizabeth Coutts in 1901 in Scotland, but none in England or Wales.
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2023 10:42 |
One of the OP's grandfathers was Robert Gibb born 1880 in Glasgow, and his wife was Margaret McColl
Both died in South Africa
Of course, she had another set of grandparents!!
Name Margaret McColl Gibb Sex Female Age 44 Death Date 4 Feb 1926 Death Place Johannesburg, Transvaal, South Africa Birth Year (Estimated) 1882 Event Type Death
Name Robert Gibb Sex Male Age 64 Death Date 23 Nov 1944 Death Place Johannesburg, Transvaal, South Africa Death Place Lower Houghton, Johannesburg, Transvaal, South Africa Birth Year (Estimated) 1880 Event Type Death
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2023 10:59 |
One of the children of the above couple.......not directly relevant to the enquiry, but giving time-scale and location GIBB SARAH MEIGH MCCOLL F 1903 644 / 2 / 629 CAMLACHIE
The couple in 1901 187, Westmuir Street, Glasgow, Camlachie, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Robert Gibb Head Married Male 21 1880 Mason Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Margaret Gibb Wife Married Female 20 1881 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2023 11:17 |
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Cornfield Street, Glasgow, Camlachie, Lanarkshire, Scotland Robert Gibb Head Married Male 35 1856 Mason (unemp) Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Sarah Gibb Wife Married Female 34 1857 Weaver cotton Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Maggie Gibb Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1876 French polisher Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Mary Gibb Daughter Unmarried Female 13 1878 Message girl Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Robert Gibb Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland William Gibb Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Sarah Gibb Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Nellie Gibb Daughter - Female 5 1886 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Caroline Gibb Daughter - Female 0 1891 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Helen Street, Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John McColl Head Married Male 50 1841 Iron ship plater Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland Janet McColl Wife Married Female 48 1843 - Eastwood, Renfrewshire, Scotland Mary McColl Daughter Unmarried Female 28 1863 Shirt machinist Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland John McColl Son Unmarried Male 19 1872 Appr engine pattern maker Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland Christina McColl Daughter - Female 17 1874 Jacket machinist Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland Elizabeth McColl Daughter - Female 15 1876 Boot fitter Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland George McColl Son - Male 13 1878 Appr boot maker Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland Samuel McColl Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland Margaret McColl Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland Hugh McColl Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar Govan, Lanarkshire, Scotland Mary Millar Mother-in-law Married Female 69 1822 - Eastwood, Renfrewshire, Scotland
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2023 11:21 |
'Search all member trees' produces
Elizabeth Coutts 1901 Indiana U.S.A ... Yes Elizabeth
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Maddie
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20 Feb 2023 11:41 |
?? 1920 South Pasadena, Los Angeles, California, United States View original record Household members (5 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Birth place John M Coutts Self Married Male 43 1877 Scotland Susie Coutts Wife Married Female 47 1873 Michigan Elizabeth Coutts Daughter Single Female 18 1902 Indiana Georgy Coutts Son Single Male 15 1905 Indiana Charles Coutts Son Single Male 8 1912 California
Elizabeth Mcculloch Country United States Last name Coutts Spouse's first name(s) Alstine Foster Sex Female Spouse's last name Parmenter Age 26 Spouse's age 26 Birth year 1902 Spouse's birth year 1902 Father's first name(s) John Masterton Spouse's father's first name(s) Foster Wing Father's last name Coutts Spouse's father's last name Parmenter Mother's first name(s) Susanna T Spouse's mother's first name(s) Anna May Mother's last name Dewar Spouse's mother's last name Fifield Year 1928 Notes Marriage Record Event date 20 Jul 1928 Record set United States Marriages Place Los Angeles, California, United States Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records County Los Angeles Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce State California
Bessie M State California Last name Parmenter Country United States Full name as given Bessie M. Parmenter Obituary text Bessie was born on January 26, 1905 and passed away on Sunday, February 2, 1997.Bessie was a resident of Costa Mesa, California. Birth year 1905 Source link View the Source Record Birth date 26 Jan 1905 Record set United States Obituary Notices Death year 1997 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Death date 02 Feb 1997 Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials Full dates January 26, 1905 - February 2, 1997 Collections from Americas, United States Place Costa Mesa, California
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2023 11:45 |
As the OP knows when the woman died, one has to assume she knows what her name was at the time
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2023 15:40 |
Name: Elizabeth M Coutts Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Departure Age: 24 Arrival Age: 24 Birth Date: 1901 Birth Place: Indiana Place of Origin: California Departure Date: 18 Jul 1925 Departure Place: Wilmington, California Arrival Date: 24 Jul 1925 Arrival Place: Honolulu, Hawaii
Name: John M Poutts [John M Coutts] Age in 1910: 40 Birth Date: 1870 [1870] Birthplace: Scotland Home in 1910: Coronado, San Diego, California, USA Street: E Avenue House Number: 876 Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1890 Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Susie M Poutts Father's Birthplace: Scotland Mother's Birthplace: Scotland Native Tongue: English Occupation: Merchant Industry: Dry Goods Employer, Employee or Other: Own Account Home Owned or Rented: Rent Farm or House: House Naturalization Status: Naturalized Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Years Married: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members (Name) Age Relationship John M Poutts 40 Head Susie M Poutts 41 Wife Elizabeth M Poutts 8 Daughter George L Poutts 6 Son
Name: John Masterton Coutts Gender: Male Birth Date: 22 Feb 1870 Birth Place: Falkirk,Stirling,Scotland Father: Charles Coutts Mother: Isabella Masterton
Name: John M Coutts Marriage Age: 31 Birth Date: abt 1869 Marriage Date: 5 Jun 1900 Marriage Place: Marion, Indiana, USA Spouse Name: Susana Taylor Dewar
Name: John Masterton Coutts Birth Date: 2 Feb 1870 Death Date: 23 Apr 1943 Cemetery: Forest Lawn Memorial Park Burial or Cremation Place: Glendale, Los Angeles County, California, United States of America
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Pleasance Gardens, Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland Charles Coutts Head Widower Male 45 1836 Magistrate draper (empl 3 men 2 boys & 2 women) Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland Jane Coutts Daughter Unmarried Female 15 1866 Scholar Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland John Coutts Son Unmarried Male 11 1870 Scholar Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland David Coutts Son Unmarried Male 8 1873 No occupation (disabled) Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Scotland Margaret Murray House keeper Unmarried Female 52 1829 General serv Ross & Cromarty, Scotland
COUTTS JOHN MASTERTON MASTERSON M 1870 479 / 1 / 78 FALKIRK BURGH
COUTTS DAVID MASTERTON MASTERTON M 1873 479 / 1 / 1 FALKIRK BURGH
Name: Elizabeth C Parmenter [Elizabeth C Coutts] Age: 48 Birth Date: abt 1902 Gender: Female Race: White Birth Place: Indiana Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Wife Residence Date: 1950 Home in 1950: Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, USA Street Name: Helgard Avenue House Number: 424 Dwelling Number: 15 Farm: No Acres: No Inferred Previous Residence Place: Los Angeles, California Occupation: Junior High School Teache Industry: City Father Birth Place: Scotland Mother Birth Place: Michigan Occupation Category: Working Hours Worked: 48 Worker Class: Government Same House: Yes Previously on Farm: No Same County: Yes School Completed: C5 Grade Completed: Yes Weeks Seeking Work: 4 Weeks Worked: 42 Income: 500 Other Income: None Supplemental Income: None Relative Income: None Relative Other Income: 50000 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Alstene F Parmenter 48 Head Elizabeth C Parmenter 48 Wife Sue Anne Parmenter 18 Daughter Mary E Parmenter 14 Daughter Margaret J Parmenter 7 Daughter Susan T Coutts 81 Mother-in-law Leta Jane Lewis 31 Lodger
Name: Elizabeth C Parmenter Birth Date: 22 Jan 1901 Birth Place: California, United States of America Death Date: 7 Aug 1989 Death Place: Douglas County, Oregon, United States of America Cemetery: Forest Lawn Memorial Park Burial or Cremation Place: Glendale, Los Angeles County, California, United States of America
Hubby died in 1970
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2023 15:43 |
Name: Sue A Parmenter Gender: Female Estimated Birth Year: abt 1932 Age: 19 Marriage Date: 1 Dec 1951 Marriage Place: Los Angeles, California, USA Spouse: Forrest J Watson Spouse Age: 21
Name: Mary E Parmenter Gender: Female Estimated Birth Year: abt 1936 Age: 22 Marriage Date: 18 Aug 1958 Marriage Place: Los Angeles, California, USA Spouse: Carl W Francis Spouse Age: 24
Name: Margaret J Parmenter Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1943 Age: 21 Marriage Date: 5 Sep 1964 Marriage Place: Los Angeles, California, USA Spouse Name: Richard A Edwards Spouse Age: 31
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2023 16:04 |
From familysearch - probably the OP's source
Name Elizabeth C Parmenter Middle Name C State California Last Place of Residence Los Angeles, California Previous Residence Postal Code 90066 Age 88 Birth Date 22 Jul 1901 Death Date 07 Aug 1989
The husband
Name Alstine Parmenter State California Residence Place California Last Place of Residence Los Angeles, California Previous Residence Postal Code 90066 Age 69 Birth Date 03 Aug 1901 Death Date Nov 1970
Name Alstine Foster Parmenter Alias Al Death or Burial Place Glendale, Los Angeles, California, United States of America Cemetery Forest Lawn Memorial Park Death Date 03 Nov 1970 Birth Date 03 Aug 1901 Event Type Burial Photograph Included Y Note Contains Biography A film publicist, Parmenter started his career with the Los Angeles times in the sports and auto departments. He later worked for Paramount Pictures and 20th Century Fox and for six months was publicity director for Harry Sherman Productions.
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2023 16:45 |
Name: Forrest James Watson Jr [Forrest J Watson Jr] Gender: Male Race: White Birth Date: 19 Apr 1930 Birth Place: Los Angeles, California Death Date: 26 Jul 2004 Father: Forrest J Watson Mother: Mildred E Wise SSN: 553367296 Signature on SSN Card: Jack Watson Jr Relationship of Signature: Signature name differs from NH’s name. Notes: Jun 1945: Name listed as FORREST JAMES WATSON JR; 26 Aug 2004: Name listed as FORREST J WATSON
Name: Forrest James Watson Gender: Male Death Age: 74 Birth Date: 19 Apr 1930 Birth Place: Los Angeles Residence Place: Santa Barbara Death Date: 26 Jul 2004 Obituary Date: 29 Jul 2004 Obituary Place: Medford, Jackson, Santa Barbara, Honduras Spouse: Betsy Watson Child: Catharine Anne Hurley Stephan Forrest Watson Paul Michael Watson Lynda Sue Farrell
Marriage to second wife
Name: Forrest J Watson Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1930 Age: 41 Marriage Date: 4 Dec 1971 Marriage Place: Santa Barbara, California, USA Spouse Name: Betssy J Blanton Spouse Age: 39
DIVORCE Name: Sue A Parmenter Spouse Name: Forrest J Watson Location: Santa Barbara Date: Aug 1968
Suggestion ONLY - linked by Ancestry to Parmenter records
Name: Sue A Watson Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1932 Age: 40 Marriage Date: 2 Sep 1972 Marriage Place: Santa Barbara, California, USA Spouse Name: James A Mobbs Spouse Age: 43
Name: James Alb Mobbs Age: 51 Birth Date: 18 Oct 1928 Death Date: 10 Sep 1980 Death Place: Douglas Spouse: Sue Certificate: 80-14886
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ErikaH
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20 Feb 2023 16:51 |
Another divorce
Name: Carl W Francis Spouse Name: Mary E Parmenter Location: Los Angeles City Date: Mar 1966
Name: Carl Wight Francis III Birth Date: 16 Oct 1933 Birth Place: California, United States of America Death Date: 8 Aug 1974 Death Place: Malibu Hills, Los Angeles County, California, United States of America
Name: Mary E Francis (or Parmenter) Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1936 Age: 33 Marriage Date: 11 May 1969 Marriage Place: Los Angeles City, California, USA Spouse Name: Samuel E Benesch Spouse Age: 44
Name: Samuel E Benesch Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1925 Age: 44 Marriage Date: 11 May 1969 Marriage Place: Los Angeles City, California, USA Spouse Name: Mary E Parmenter (or Francis) Spouse Age: 33
He'd been divorced as well...........................
Name: Samuel E Benesch Spouse Name: Edna E Vannote Location: Los Angeles City Date: Aug 1966
His death
Name: Samuel Eli Benesch Death Age: 94 Birth Date: 19 Aug 1924 Death Date: 16 May 2019 Obituary Date: 19 May 2022
Enlistment WWII
Name: Samuel Eli Benesch Race: White Age: 18 Relationship to Draftee: Self (Head) Birth Date: 19 Aug 1924 Birth Place: Baltimore, Maryland, USA Residence Place: Baltimore, Maryland, USA Registration Date: Dec 1942 Registration Place: Baltimore, Maryland, USA Employer: Black And Decker Height: 6 Weight: 170 Complexion: Dark Hair Color: Black Eye Color: Brown Next of Kin: Sarah Benesch
First marriage
Name: Samuel Eli Benesch Gender: Male Race: White Marriage Age: 25 Birth Date: abt 1925 Marriage Registration Place: Richmond, Virginia, USA Marriage Date: 10 Jun 1950 Marriage Place: Roanoke, Virginia, USA Father: Ben Benesch Mother: Sarah Goldberg Spouse: Edna Earle Van Note Certificate Number: 1950010465
Another divorce.........................................
Name: Mary E Parmenter Spouse Name: Samuel E Benesch Location: Los Angeles Date: Jul 1974
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ErikaH
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21 Feb 2023 11:22 |
Name: Mary Elizabeth Parmenter Birth Date: 8 *** 1935 Gender: Female Mother's Maiden Name: Coutts Birth County: Los Angeles
Name: Margaret Jean Parmenter Birth Date: 15 *** 1942 Gender: Female Mother's Maiden Name: Coutts Birth County: Los Angeles
Name: Margaret J Edwards [Margaret Edwards] Birth Date: 15 *** 1942 Residence Date: 1993 Phone Number: 497 **** Address: ************************* Residence: Thousand Oaks, CA Postal Code: 91360-2009 Second Phone Number: 497**** Second Address: ********** Second Residence: Oxnard, CA Second Postal Code: 93035-2734
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21 Feb 2023 11:41 |
with father john m and family, john is a merchant Name: Elizabeth Coutts Gender: Female Marital status: Single Age: 9 Birth Date: abt 1901 Last Known Residence: Los Angelos., U S A Departure Port: Glasgow, Scotland Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1910 Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA Final Destination: Los Angelos, California Ship Name: California Search Ship Database: Search for the California in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
destination los angelos
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Elizabeth
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22 Feb 2023 00:35 |
Wow you guys are incredible I am so grateful to you all. I must apologise for not giving more information She was born in USA her parents were John Master Coutts and SUsanna taylor dewar
I will definately be going through all this information. Thank you all so much I am overwhelmed
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