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Just throwing a spanner into the works. Maybe Ann... was never their child and they 'acquired' her in a private adoption.

Maybe she was actually born elsewhere. My late father in law was the only child not born in Yorkshire - must to his disgust.. He was the third of six children.

Just thought I don't need to do anything for my gran I've got her parents and their parents un to them living in Ireland So I'm happy with that
The only thing I' would have liked was her Birth

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1391655

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1388945

I think I'll draw a line under this one now................

Sorry
Told you I'm hopeless
Mary Kelby in 1921 should be Mary Kelly? their Aunty Catherine's sister
THe one with Joseph the Name Whittaker in my tree is on my Paternal side Malin I have a couple but not linked them as they are related by marriage so I'll leave that one

So we're duplicating.........but heigh ho!

Is THIS your grandmother?
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Lord Street, Chorlton upon Medlock, Chorlton, Lancashire, England
James Kelly Head Married Male 35 1856 Master m Manchester, Lancashire, England
Catherine Kelly Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
John Kelly Son Single Male 9 1882 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Catherine Kelly Daughter Single Female 7 1884 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Annie Kelly Daughter Single Female 2 1889 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Goffe Lodger Widower Male 39 1852 Hawker Manchester, Lancashire, England
Edward Goffe Lodger Single Male 11 1880 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary H Goffe Lodger Single Female 15 1876 - Manchester, Lancashire, England

What was her father's occupation said to be?

The children were probably farmed out because the new husband didn't want them

Sorry I got it wrong Joe married Ann Wheeldon so I'll check for Whittaker in my tree

Thank you for that I'd given up yes they all seem to be mine Joseph married Ann Whittaker.
I've got Britton street in one of the censuses I remember I couldn't find it on the map.Wonder why they were Boarding?

I have Catherine's marriage certificate I did put a thread on here at the time as her father was down as James Joseph yet on his marriage certificate it had James

I was alwat told by my parents that my gran Catherine Kelly was born in Ireland but on all the censuses it has Manchester I never been able to find her birth or 2 of her siblings
But thank you for getting the 1921 census

Sylann

If you want to go back further with Catherine, nee Kelly, you will have to get a copy of one of her marriage certs, to see who she named as her father

Otherwise, everything is guesswork

1921 Census Of England & Wales
10, Garden Street, Chorlton upon Medlock, South Manchester, Lancashire, England

Mary Kelby Head Female 1898 23 Manchester, Lancashire, England Rubber Worker David Mosley & Sons, Chapel Field Sam, M/c
Annie Turner Boarder Female 1909 12 London, England - -
Seleana Turner Boarder Female 1917 4 - - -

Transcription is AWFUL, as are so many with 1921 census. Don't know who FMP employed!!!!!!!!!

Annie's birthplace is Britton St, London Rd. Manchester

Seleana's(sic) is 10 Garden Street, Chorlton on Medlock

Have sent corrections to FMP

Mary Kelly is Single

We now need to locate "only" Catherine(snr) and her second husband..............

The Catherine Kelly above in 1921 was a servant, single, aged 49y 11m and born in Co Clare Ireland
Institution name Secondary School & Preparatory School The Hothes Religions Community Old Drive (Fallowfield) Rusholme

Second marriage from LancsBMD

JONES Sidney KELLY Catherine 1920 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/285/168
JONES Sidney TURNER Catherine 1920 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/285/168
KELLY Catherine JONES Sidney 1920 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/285/168
TURNER Catherine JONES Sidney 1920 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/285/168

Maybe Catherine in 1921?? No YOB or POB given.
Living alone, according to the transcription.

Catherine
Kelly
—
—
South Manchester
Chorlton
Lancashire

1921 for JOSEPH

161, Green Lane, Heywood, Lancashire, England
Alice Whittaker Head Female 1859 62 Bolton, Lancashire, England Mill Cleaner Office Park Street Spinning Co
James Livesey Whittaker Son Male 1902 18 Bolton, Lancashire, England Cotton Piecer Park Street Spinning Co
Annie Wilcox Lodger Female 1893 27 Manchester, Lancashire, England Cotton Rover Albert New Mill
Joe Turner Visitor Male 1914 7 Manchester, Lancashire, England - -

Image was originally written as Jones, which has been crossed out and replaced by Turner. Father dead


Don't know if there's any family connection to Whittaker or Makin........this is the above Alice's marriage

WHITTAKER James MAKIN Alice 1882 Bolton, Emmanuel Parish Church Bolton 14/3/307

Sylvia - re Annie -

Unfortunately the only Turner/Kelly birth in Manchester or Chorlton in 1907-1911 was Martha's in 1910.

There were four Annie Turners born in Chorlton in that timeframe, but their mothers' names were Bayley, McKenzie, Macaloon, and Heyes.
Also one in Manchester, with mmn Kirwin.

There was no Ann, Anne, Anna, Hannah, Nan, Nancy, or anything even vaguely similar.

Re Annie/Anna


Have you thought HANNAH?????


It took me many years to find my great-grandmother Hannah after she left the family sometime after the 1891 Census. Eventually help from on here traced her as Annie, which was apparently her nickname but then adopted by her as her "real" name.

I finally put her to rest about September last year after finding her on the 1921 Census and then finally her death in 1922 ....... still as Annie


It didn't help of course that her surname was as common as Hannah/Annie

In your opening post you said you'd never found Catherine Kelly's birth.

Do you have either of her marriage certs to see what her father's name was?

Joseph's army record gives her DOB as 28 July 1885.
1939 (which is frequently a year or two out re birth) says 28 July 1886.

[DELETED A WRONG GUESS AT CATHERINE'S FAMILY, WITH PARENTS' NAMES JOHN AND MARY.

SYLANN SAYS LATER ( 9 FEB @ 12:41) THAT CATHERINE'S FATHER'S NAME WAS JAMES JOSEPH.]

Yes Thank you for that Maddie Possibly all the children were Baptised there

Great find with the baptisms, Maddie.......but still no birth reg for Annie/Anna. These things happen and we must accept them

Sylann - lots of people have problems with cut and paste, iPads are particularly difficult at times.

You can’t put your threads together as such, only Genes can do that but I don’t suppose they would. Just like you have added a post or two on here you can do the same with any of your threads. If you want to move one up the list a simple n or nudge in the box will bring it up.

You are doing OK. Lots of people who post are novices or have medical issues. Those of us who are most expert should sometimes be more patient and explain better.