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I've just asked the question ErikaH via message

Regards Florence and Edward I will ask her ErikaH, I presumed she got it from her Mum, but I will check.

Failing all else I will just order certificates.

Sorry had to go out, yes I saw those census's ErikaH and haven't dismissed them yet because its the property next door or very near to the property on the 1939 register I found originally

In case the marriage I posted turns out to be relevant.................

Will delete if proven to be unconnected

Deaths 1988 (>99%)
WILLIAMS IRVING ANDREW 9OC1905 NEWPORT 28 696
Death date 18 Oct 1988
Of Pantyrhyn Farm, Blackwood, Gwent

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Upper Houses Farm, Llanhiles, Llantilio Crossenny, Monmouthshire, Wales
George A Williams Head Male 1872 48 Monmouthshire, Wales Farmer Employer
Catherine H Williams Wife Female 1869 52 Llangattock, Monmouthshire, Wales Assisting In General Farm & Home Duties George A Williams Farmer
Margaret A Long Sister-in-law Female 1866 54 Llangattock, Monmouthshire, Wales Assisting In General Farm & Home Duties George A Williams
Eva Williams Daughter Female 1901 19 Llangattock, Monmouthshire, Wales Assisting In General Farm & Home Duties -
Irving A Williams Son Male 1905 15 Llangattock, Monmouthshire, Wales - -
Oliver Higgs Servant Male 1907 14 Llangattock, Monmouthshire, Wales Assisting In Farm Work -
George Gealer Servant Male 1868 53 Gloucestershire, England General Labourer



1939 Register
Pantyrhyn Farm Pontllanfraith, Pontllanfraith, Mynyddislwyn U.D., Monmouthshire, Wales
Andrew (Irving) Williams 09 Oct 1905 Male Dairy Farmer Married 253 1
Florence W Williams 29 Nov 1909 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 253 2

Name: Florence Winifred Jones
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1910
Baptism Date: 27 Jan 1910
Baptism Place: Monmouthshire, Wales
Father: John Jones
Mother: Sarah Jane Jones
Page number: 60

1911 Census For England & Wales
Great Hoaldalbert Farm Grosmont Hereford, Grosmont, Monmouthshire, Wales
John Jones Head Married Male 39 1872 Farmer Llanvihangel Cru Mon
Sarah Jane Jones Wife Married Female 37 1874 - Llantilio Crossenny Mon
Esther Violet Jones Daughter - Female 5 1906 School Llantilio Crossenny Mon
Sidney John Jones Son - Male 3 1908 - Llantilio Crossenny Mon
Florence Winifred Jones Daughter - Female 1 1910 - Llantilio Crossenny Mon

Because once you couldn’t - I didn’t know it had changed.

Not sure why someone said earlier that one cannot add a second forename initial when searching on freebmd

Can’t you ask your contact where she got Edward and Florence’s names?

Info available online doesn’t suggest that Gerald’s father was named Edward.

Does she have any proven research? Or his birth cert?

I know namelessone, I will give it some time, but not all my time, they information you have all kindly given me today will be helpful whether I solve it or not.

You are both right about the DNA, I dont usually go that route, but I was asked to look and so I thought I would do it for her.

With those cams I think you may have to track back to around 4c great grandparents at least. Then you would have to look at ALLtheir descendants in the hope of finding a matching person. With no guarantee that you will.

Thank you ErikaH, she has just given me her Great Grandmothers name, maternal line, Agnes Harris as you posted above.

The Richards/Jones line to which Deborah refers.............or part of it.......

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1401116

Those are very low matches. I think you can be assured they are related because of the other matches but at that level the actual match can be hard or impossible to find.

Experts will often regard that level of match very unreliable.

Marriages Mar 1926 (>99%)
HARRIS Agnes Nutt Pontypool 11a 224
Nutt William J Harris Pontypool 11a 224


1939 Register
3 Bluett's Road, Abersychan, Pontypool U.D., Monmouthshire, Wales

William John Nutt 10 Mar 1904 Male Cinema Projectionist Married 195 1
Agnes Nutt 22 Nov 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 195 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
The record for this person is officially closed.
Agnes Maureen Nutt 24 Sep 1936 Female Under School Age Single 195 5
The record for this person is officially closed.

Personally, I don't think a DNA result is the best way to start looking for relatives. It is useful further down the line but much better to start with yourself, then your parents and their siblings and carry on backwards looking at births and marriages until you get to the 1939 register and then census records.

You could get tied up in all sorts of knots otherwise.

People's memories can't always be relied on.

Kath. x

Will look at the ER ErikaH, thank you.

21 cM to me

31 cM to my Mum

she also has a match to a cousin who I share 222cM with I know who this cousin is, she is related to me through my Richards/Jones line, we are second cousins

Have you tried working back from her?

Has she researched her own line thoroughly, and obtained documentary proof?

Again, how distant is the match? That will give you the clue as to how far back you have to look.
Then you can compare your tree to that matches tree.

You also need to follow the other persons tree back yourself, in case there are mistakes.

ErikaH, all the info given to me was from Great Grandaughter of Edward and Florence