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25 Jan 2023 14:55 |
First name(s) Mary Memorial reference 173 Last name Martell Notes It is noted that the year 1883 was not a leap year, but the inscription is clear. Birth year 1847 Document link A document containing detail of the church, and layouts for all inscriptions Age 32 County Middlesex Death year 1879 Country England Place Feltham Record set Middlesex Monumental Inscriptions Dedication St Dunstan Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Inscription In memory / of / MARY / wife of W. MARTELL / who died Sept. 2nd 1879, aged 32.
On the boulder: ETHELBERT HAROLD / [ ] died 29th Feb. 1883 / Also CONSTANCE RAY SISSIE / born 9th July 1885 / died 4th July 1886 / the beloved children of / [ ] and RACHEL MARTELL / [an illegible quotation]. Subcategory Parish Burials Monument type Headstone with boulder at the foot Collections from England, Great Britain
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25 Jan 2023 14:50 |
FUNERAL OF THE LATE MR. MARTELL. ...bore the following inscription: Walter Martell. Died 27th January, I890, aged 47 years." Wreaths deposited on the graves were front Mr and Mrs Dixon "with deepest sympathy," and "In loving remembrance of brother Walter Martell, with sincere regret and ... 08 February 1890 - Middlesex & Surrey Express - Staines, Middlesex, England
Walter was stationmaster at Feltham and had a large funeral.
'The stone at the head of the grave reminded those present that deceased's first wife, a lady of an amiable disposition, lies buried there, the words thereon being as follows "In loving memory of Mary, wife of W Martell who died Sept 2nd 1879 aged 30, her end was peace."
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ErikaH
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25 Jan 2023 14:48 |
Richard Tizard in the Dorset, England, Dorchester Prison Admission and Discharge Registers, 1782-1901
Name: Richard Tizard, occ.Butcher Age: 32 Birth Year: abt 1827 Received Date: 5 May 1859 Place of Origin: Weymouth Record Type: Description of Prisoners Book Year range: 1858-1863 Reference Number: NG PR1 D3 1
Crime: Assault
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ErikaH
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25 Jan 2023 14:29 |
Second marriage..................
Marriages Mar 1864 (>99%) Kendle Stacey Weymouth 5a 505 Shelley Maria Weymouth 5a 505
KENDLE, MARIA ELIZABETH SHELLEY GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in WEYMOUTH Volume 05A Page 321
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Whyke Lane Cottage, Rumbolds-Wyke, Westhampnett, Sussex, England Stacey Kendle Head Married Male 61 1820 Master mariner retired Burnham, Norfolk, England Maria Kendle Wife Married Female 53 1828 - Hatfield, Essex, England Maria E Kendle Daughter Single Female 13 1868 - Weymouth, Dorset, England
Stacey Kendle committed suicide by drowning in the Portsmouth and Arun Canal. Newspaper report is on FMP
Daughter Maria married a clergyman in 1891
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ErikaH
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25 Jan 2023 12:28 |
Kate's birth was registered JAS 1871 - on April 2nd 1871, Mary Kendle was 'at home' with parents in Dorset and Walter Martell was in Middlesex. :-S :-S :-S :-S
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ErikaH
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25 Jan 2023 12:13 |
First name(s) Kate Mary Harriet Last name Martell Gender Female Father's first name(s) Walter Father's last name Martell Mother's first name(s) Mary Jane Mother's last name - Baptism date 04 Feb 1872 Place Sunbury on Thames Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms
First name(s) Kate Mary Harriet Last name Martell Age 21 Father's first name(s) Walter Father's last name Martell Spouse's first name(s) William John Cols Spouse's last name Lane Spouse's birth year 1868 Spouse's father's first name(s) John Thomas Spouse's father's last name Lane Residence Walworth, Surrey, England Marriage date 27 Nov 1892 County Surrey Marriage place Walworth Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages
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Marcus
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24 Jan 2023 20:34 |
Thanks ErikaH, and everyone else, for your input.
All greatly appreciated !!
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ErikaH
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24 Jan 2023 20:04 |
There was NO marriage between Bown and Sly - their daughter was illegitimate, as I stated. All info posted shows that to be a fact
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Marcus
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24 Jan 2023 18:46 |
Thanks ArgyllGran,
That all seems to make sense now... I couldn't find a marriage either for Mary Jane Bown / Sly & Walter Martell.
So, Rachel is in fact - Walters '1st wife' after having at least 4 chidren with Mary Jane Bown.
Thanks again !!
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ArgyllGran
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24 Jan 2023 18:21 |
Do you mean you want information about William/Walter Martell?
MARTELL, KATE MARY HARRIET mmn BOWN GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in STAINES Volume 03A Page 8
Kate Mary Harriet Martell in the 1881 England Census Name: Kate Mary Harriet Martell Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: Walter Martell Mother: Rachel Martell Gender: Female Where born: Sunbury, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Feltham County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: High Street London South West Railway Station Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration District: Staines ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: Piece: 1326 Folio: 65 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Walter Martell 39 - Portsmouth, railway stationmaster Rachel Martell 29 Kate Mary Harriet Martell 9 Dora Isabel Martell 7 Albert Edward George Martell 5 Walter Frank Martell Susan Ann Brooker 11
MARTELL, ISABEL DORA mmn BOWN GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in STAINES Volume 03A Page 5
MARTELL, ALBERT GEORGE EDWIN mmn BOWN GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in STAINES Volume 03A Page 9
MARTELL, WALTER FRANK mmn TARRANT GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in STAINES Volume 03A Page 9
Rachel is his second wife:
Marriages Jun 1880 (>99%) MARTELL Walter Staines 3a 25 Tarrant Rachel Staines 3a 25
Walter Martell in the 1871 England Census Name: Walter Martell Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: 1843 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Portsmouth Hampshire England Civil parish: Sunbury Town: Sunbury County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Staines Sub-registration district: Sunbury ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 89 Piece: 1304 Folio: 52 Page number: 16 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Anthony Challis 45 Head Caroline Challis 45 Wife Walter Martell 28 Lodger , married, railway stationmaster.
Death of first "wife":
Deaths Sep 1879 (>99%) MARTELL Mary Jane 32 Staines 3a 2
However, it doesn't look as if she and Walter were married.
Can't see William Kindle/Kendle definitely after the marriage to Mary Jane. Maybe he was still alive??
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Marcus
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24 Jan 2023 17:52 |
Hello Everyone,
Many, many thanks for all your kind help in trying to sort out this rather confusing part of my tree !!
It is all starting to make sense now.
Apologies for nor replying sooner, as I have had some surgery, and have been laying low to recover. Almost done on that front.....
I have amended my tree to accommodate what has been said.
So, it looks like daughter Mary JaneTizard, was in fact Mary Jane BOWN or possible SLY !! - depending which side of her parents marriage she was born....
Thanks for the Marriage link to Wiliam Kendle.
Since adding all this to my tree, I see that another person on Ancestry has a possible 2nd marriage of Mary Jane Bown / Sly to William/Walter MARTELL and they have a daughter - Kate Mary MARTELL b Staines Sept 1871.
Is anyone able to help me find this new addition to the family??
Regards,
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ErikaH
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14 Jan 2023 11:52 |
From the GRO.......with MMN left blank to denote illegitimacy
SLY, MARY JANE BOWN - GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in WEYMOUTH Volume 08 Page 135
Name: Thomas Sly Gender: M (Male) Birth Date: 11 avr. 1824 (11 Apr 1824) Birth Place: Weymouth, Dorset, England, United Kingdom Father: Richard Sly Mother: Elizabeth Allen Hussey Spouse: Mary Bown Child: Mary Jane Bown View on Geneanet: https://gw.geneanet.org/haneliza2082?n=sly&oc=5&p=thomas
Name: Thomas Hy [Sly] Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Dorset, England Civil parish: Melcombe Regis Hundred: Weymouth and Melcombe Regis County/Island: Dorset Country: England Registration district: Weymouth Sub-registration district: Weymouth Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 295 Book: 17 Folio: 33 Page number: 17 Household Members (Name) Age Richard Hy 50 Elizabeth Hy 55 Joseph Hy 20 Thomas Hy 15 Richard Hy 15
If you have Tizard as her father in your tree, you'll probably need to do some editing ;-) ;-)
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ErikaH
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14 Jan 2023 11:45 |
Stacey Kendle was a Mariner....................
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Name: Willm Kendle Birth Date: abt 1843 Gender: Male Age at Start of Service: 23 First Service Date: 1 Sep 1866 First Ship Served On: St George Last Service Date: 30 Sep 1869 Last Ship Served On: Achilles Record Type: Entry Books of Certificates Date Range: 1869 Aug - 1870 May
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ErikaH
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14 Jan 2023 11:42 |
Ancestry suggests this is the man Mary married - when you purchase the marriage cert, you will know whether they are correct
Name: Willm Kendle Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Son Father's Name: Stacy Kendle Mother's Name: Elizth Kendle Gender: Male Where born: Lynn, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: South Lynn County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration District: Kings Lynn Sub-registration District: Kings Lynn South ED, institution, or vessel: 2e Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 114 Piece: 1829 Folio: 593 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Stacy Kendle 32 Elizth Kendle 36 Willm Kendle 8 John Kendle 7
Name: Stacey Kendle Gender: Male Marriage Date: 1 Jan 1841 Marriage Place: St. Margaret'S, Lynn, Norfolk, England Father: Thomas Kendle Spouse: Elizabeth Tooffer FHL Film Number: 1471535 Reference ID: item 15 p 106 St. Margaret's
Name: Stacey Kendle Gender: M (Male) Birth Date: 22 mai 1817 (22 May 1817) Birth Place: Burnham Overy, Norfolk, England, United Kingdom Death Place: Hunston nr Chichester, Sussex, West Sussex (Sussex), England, United Kingdom Father: Thomas Kendle Spouse: Elizabeth Troffer Maria Shelley Child: Frederick Stacey Kendle John Kendle Maria Elizabeth Kendle William Kendle
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ErikaH
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14 Jan 2023 11:30 |
Name: Mary Jane Bown Baptism Date: 19 Nov 1845 Baptism Place: Melcombe Regis, Dorset, England Mother: Mary Bown
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13 Jan 2023 23:15 |
Completing the early set - original age for Mary looks more like a 5 but an officials mark has gone through the figure.
Mary Tizard in 1851 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census 6, Crescent Court, Melcombe Regis, Weymouth, Dorset, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Richard Tizard Head Married Male 23 1828 Journeyman batcher Melcombe Regis, Dorset, England Mary Tizard Wife Married Female 28 1823 Laundress Melcombe Regis, Dorset, England Richard Tizard Son - Male 2 1849 - Melcombe Regis, Dorset, England Mary Tizard Daughter - Female 3 1848 Scholar Melcombe Regis, Dorset, England
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alviegal
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13 Jan 2023 21:50 |
And Mary in 1861.
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census 7, Frederick Place, Melcombe Regis, Weymouth, Dorset, England
Household members (8 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Edward Kurman Head Married Male 34 1827 Schoolmaster Melcombe Regis, Dorset, England Frances Kurman Wife Married Female 34 1827 - Creech St Michael, Somerset, England Elizabeth S Kurman Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Melcombe, Dorset, England Frances S Kurman Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Melcombe, Dorset, England Elizabeth F Symes Mother in law Widow Female 73 1788 Railway sareholder Portland, Dorset, England Sarah S Symes Sister in law Unmarried Female 31 1830 - Creech St Michael, Somerset, England Harriet Amey Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 House servant Sutton Poyntz, Dorset, England >>Mary J Lizard Servant Unmarried Female 15 1846 House servant Melcombe Regis, Dorset, England
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ErikaH
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13 Jan 2023 21:50 |
Mary’s birth was registered as BOWN......
EDITED 14/01/23 and SLY in OND 1845
Births Dec 1845 (>99%) Bown Mary Jane Bown Weymouth 8 135 Sly Mary Jane Bown Weymouth 8 135
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alviegal
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13 Jan 2023 21:48 |
So perhaps?
Marriages Mar 1868 (>99%) >>BOWN Mary Jane Weymouth 5a 493 Scan available - click to view GIBBS Susanna Bennett Weymouth 5a 493 Scan available - click to view >>KENDLE William Weymouth 5a 493 Scan available - click to view Miller Edwin Weymouth 5a 493
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ErikaH
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13 Jan 2023 21:48 |
Mary Jane Bown married William Kendle in 1868
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