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Sorry Argyllgran, I have only just managed to get back to the thread. I had also found the Mary Elsegood in Cheltenham and I do think that is her. All the details except her first name are correct. I did wonder how she got to Cheltenham but the half-sister to the head of household and her little girl were both born in Camberwell, so could well have known Maude/Mary from there. You will have seen that she is entered as a servant with the profession of nurse so I suspect she went with them to look after the little girl.

Just to be sure I've checked that there wasn't a Mary Elsegood birth registered between 1870 and 1880 and checked on the 1881 and 1901 censuses and I can't find a likely Mary.so, on the balance of probabilities, I think it is Maude in Cheltenham.

Thank you for finding Sidney in the 1911. I don't know how I missed that one. I know the surname gets spelled in lots of different ways so if I can't find the person I'm looking for I usually put Els* for the name and trawl through everything that comes up. Even then I got caught out once when the name had gone down as Earlsgood.

I really appreciate your help and interest. They are a fascinating family. I just wish there weren't so many of them called James!

Just for helpers' interest -
SuffolkVera's earlier thread about Maud Lilian:

https://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1361530

Maybe a possibility for Maud Lilian in 1891 - if mistakenly listed as Mary:

Mary Elsgood
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Mary Elsgood
Gender: Female
Age: 16
Relationship: Servant
Birth Year: 1875
Birth Place: Camberwell, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Cheltenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Residence Place: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England
Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub registration district: Cheltenham
ED, Institution or Vessel: 47
Neighbors:
Piece: 2048
Folio: 115
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Mary Jones 40 Head - Bow
Dora Jones 2 Daughter - Cheltenham
Florence Merchant 15 Servant - Cheltenham
Elizabeth Gare 29 Half Sister - Camberwell
Muriel Gare 2 Half Niece (Niece) - Camberwell
Mary Elsgood 16 Servant - domestic nurse

You said,
"The only one [ie - of Maude's relations ] I haven't found in the 1911 is Sidney (b 1882), the son of Olive Still . . ."

Here he is:

Sidney Elsgover [ Elsgood on image ]
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Sidney Elsgover
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Birth Place: CAMBERWELL, London, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: Registered Lodging House, 20 and 22 Highstreet, Peckham S E
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Carman
Registration District Number: 27
Sub-registration District: Peckham South
ED, institution, or vessel: 24-26
Piece: 2594
Household Members:
Name Age
John Fulthorpe 58
Lucy Fulthorpe 48
James Terrell 45
John Pumphery 36
George Weston 68
William Chittenden 50
Richard Price 50
Sidney Elsgover 32
[and many other lodgers - all men ]


He's also there in the 1921 Census (but not the 1921 Electoral Roll), with John Fullthrope 1844, , Lucy Fullthrope 1864, and 67 others

Sidney
Ellsgood
1881
Camberwell, London, England
Camberwell
Camberwell
London, Surrey


However, oddly, he's at 31 Acorn Place in 1919, per ER, and from at least 1927 onwards .


Still no sign of Maude Alexandra.

Re Maud Lilian -
have you found her in 1891? I can't see her anywhere.

She's not with her father James, nor with the Elsegood grandparents, James and Catherine.
As far as I can see, the Willetts grandparents both died before 1891.
She didn't emigrate until 1898.

Argyllgran and ErikaH, thank you very much for all your help but I am now feeling rather guilty as I have all the information about Sidney's military life and about his half brother Harold. I couldn't tell you all the information I have about the Elsegoods and the marry-ins as there is reams and reams of it.

As far as Sidney's military records are concerned, I know it gives his father as Sidney on one of the papers but I think that was just an error on the part of the officer or clerk filling it in. His father was definitely James. Harold was his eldest half brother, born to father James and his first wife Mary Ann Willetts. I am not sure exactly when they were at Frensham Street but this family, like many others, moved around from one rented accommodation to another. They pretty much stayed within the Peckham/Camberwell area - Frensham Street is only about half a mile from Elcot Avenue where various family members lived at different times.

Sidney seems to have told the military that he was born at 23 Havil Street. In fact his birth certificate says 15 Havil Street but these small errors do occur.

Apart from knowing that Sidney married Sarah Ann, I haven't followed the Worsfolds any further so some of the things you found were new to me. I felt that branch of my tree was beginning to extend too far out. Sidney and Maude Alexandra were descended from a James Elsegood b. 1822, I am descended from his sister Elizabeth Elsegood b. 1824 and with each generation we grow further apart.

I am still keen to find out about Maude Alexandra. Why did James apparently have 2 daughters both named Maud(e)? What happened to her after 1901? What's her story?

Thank you again for your work on this conundrum.

ELSEGOOD, HAROLD ARCHIBALD mmn WILLETTS
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 719

First name(s) Harold Archibald
Regiment Devonshire Regiment
Last name Elsegood
Series WO 363
Birth year 1873
Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Birth town Westminster
Archive The National Archives
Birth county Middlesex
Record set British Army Service Records
Birth country England
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Age 22
Subcategory First World War
Year 1895
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Service number DEVON/4522

Married Amelia Pedlar, spinster 03/10/1910
Child Winifred Kathleen 08/08/1911


Name: Harold Arch Elsegood
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Birth Date: 10 May 1873
Admission Date: 10 Jun 1884
School: Peckham Park School
Father: James Elsegood
Notes: Peckham Park School (0352) opened in 1876

Sidney Elsegood who joined up in 1904/5 states on one military record sheet on FMP that father's name is Sidney, address 11, Frensham Street, Camberwell ********
On the other, father's name is James, same address
He also has a brother Harold, in the Devonshire Regiment

Discharged 31 July 1905 - Services no longer required

****No-one named Elsegood at that address in either 1901 or 1911

Fuller info re 1921 summarised on page 1

1921 Census Of England & Wales
31 Acorn Place, Peckham, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England

Sarah Ann Worsfold Wife Female 1872 48 London, London, England - -
Rose Worsfold Daughter Female 1902 18 - - Child And Co Brewer Voxhall
Alice Worsfold Daughter Female 1907 14 - - -
George Worsfold Son Male 1910 11 - - -
Stanley Worsfold Son Male 1914 7 - - -
Sidney Worsfold Son Male 1915 5 - - -
Edward Fry Boarder Male 1871 50 - - -

UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920
View Original Image on Fold3.
Name: Sidney Elsegood
Enlistment Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1882
Birth Place: Camberwell, Surrey
Enlistment Year: 1905
Regiment: R H Artillery
Regimental Number: 35900
Attestation Paper: Yes


Sidney Elsegood
Birth 1882
Death 19 Dec 1944 (aged 61–62)
Burial
Camberwell New Cemetery and Crematorium
Camberwell, London Borough of Southwark, Greater London, England
Plot
Square 119, Grave 7771
Memorial ID
218424697


He lived at 31 Acorn Place, Camberwell at least from 1927 , presumably until his death.

Married in 1930:

Marriages Mar 1930 (>99%)
Elsegood Sidney Worsfold Camberwell 1d 993
Worsfold Sarah A Elsegood Camberwell 1d 993

But in 1938 he's with Sarah Ann and Sidney Elsegood junior , who must have been born 1917 or earlier -


In 1937 and 1938 Sidney senior's also with Alice Eleanor Worsfold and George Worsfold.

Marriages Dec 1934 (>99%)
Prop Alice E Worsfold Camberwell 1d 1568
Worsfold George S Prop Camberwell 1d 1568

WORSFOLD, GEORGE SAMUEL mmn HALL
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 844

ADDED:


Aha! I think Sidney "Elsegood" junior in 1938 ER is actually Sidney Worsfold - brother of George , and son of Sarah Ann:

WORSFOLD, SIDNEY ALEXANDER mmn HALL
GRO Reference: 1915 D Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 1463


Sydney Worsfield
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Sydney Worsfield
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 26 Aug 1915
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 31 Acorn Place
Residence Place: Camberwell, London, England
Occupation: Croniam Plater
Line Number: 18
Schedule Number: 146
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: Aeuw
Borough: Camberwell
Registration district: 25-4
Household Members (Name) Age
Sidney Elgood 57 - 13 June 1882 - general labourer
Sarah Elgood 70 - 1 Aug 1869 - household duties
Sydney Worsfield 24 - 26 Aug 1915 - chromium plater
Thomas Fryer 66

In 1948 he's at 31 Acorn Place:

Sidney A Worsfold
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Sidney A Worsfold
Electoral Date: 1948
Street Address: 31 Joseph [ 31 Acorn Place on image ]
Ward or Division/Constituency: Camberwell
County or Borough: Southwark, England


In 1921 census, Sidney Worsfold 1915 is in Camberwell with Sarah Ann Worsfold 1872, Rose Worsfold 1902, Alice Worsfold 1907, George Worsfold1910, Stanley 1914, and 1 other

Rose , Stanley and Alice all have mmn Hall.

In 1911 census, Sarah is at 31 Acorn Place with first husband Henry and children.
Married 23 years.

Marriage as Sarah Jane??

Sarah Jane Hall
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938
Name: Sarah Jane Hall
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1869
Marriage Date: 16 Feb 1896
Marriage Place: St George the Martyr, Southwark, England
Father: Henry Hall
Spouse: Henry Worsfold
Register Type: Parish Register


However -

I digress!
That doesn't help find Sidney Elsegood in 1911.
Nor Maud(e).

My head is now spinning having spent well over 4 hours trying to find Maude in the 1911 census or elsewhere after 1901. I've tried a variety of surnames and first names and looked at every possible relation she could be living with. The only one I haven't found in the 1911 is Sidney (b 1882), the son of Olive Still so perhaps he and Maude are together somewhere.

The only other possibility I have found is a Miss Elsegood, sailing to Port Said on 2nd January 1914 on the ship Mantua. She is a lady's maid, aged 30, so born about 1883. However without a first name or address this can only be a vague possibility.

I know Ancestry trees are notoriously full of errors but even if people can't afford to keep buying certificates you would think they could use a bit of common sense where dates are concerned. I found a lovely one today. The owner had Hannah Still marrying James Elsegood at the age of 13, having a child Sidney a year after her death, then miraculously springing back to life, popping off to Australia and dying there 40 odd years later! This meant he had James marrying his third wife while wife number 2 was still alive. Doesn't it make you want to tear your hair out?

Anyway, if no-one has any further suggestions about what more I can do to sort out Maude I will leave her for a while. Thank you all for your suggestions and help.

ArgyllGran - Re. the school records for Maud. The one for Maud Sheer (Shear) is her but I think George Shear is named as guardian rather than parent, as she was living with the Shears at the time. I am not sure why Maud is called Shear but it may be an assumption on the part of the school.

The Peckham Park record shows James Elsegood as Parent/Guardian and I think this is probably grandfather James as guardian. At the time she was living with him at 37 Elcot Avenue. I believe he lived there from at least 1891 till his death in 1896.

The information about the St John the Divine School came from my late brother who was a meticulous researcher. I don't know where he found it but I would guess possibly at the LMA which we both visited at different times. He also had a sub to FMP so it may have been there. My notes from my brother say that she started at the school 15 Jan 1894 and left 27 Oct 1896. Her birth date was 10th Feb 1885 and her guardian was Ruth Shear. Address 41 Brammah Road. Previous school Woods Road.

Kay???? - I don't think "Mabel" Elsegood can be my Maud who was certainly born well before 1898. She is on the 1881 census as 8 years old and the 1901 as 17 years.

It's all fascinating stuff and I appreciate all your help. I must go now and get some meat in the oven or OH will think he isn't getting his favourite Sunday roast today.

37 Elcot Avenue:

James Elsegood
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: James Elsegood
Electoral Date: 1891
Street Address: 37, Elcot avenue
Ward or Division/Constituency: Peckham
County or Borough: Southwark, England


He's also at that address in 1890, 1892, 1893, 1894.
No 37 isn't listed in 1895.


8 Dundas Road, Peckham isn't listed in 1893 or 1894

One of the school records mentioned in the OP :

Mand Elsegood
in the London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Name: Mand Elsegood
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1884
Admission Date: 20 Jun 1892
School: Peckham Park School
Father: James Elsegood
Notes: Peckham Park School (0352) opened in 1876

Address: 37 Elcot Avenue.



The others in the OP don't seem to be on Ancestry - unless this is one of them??

Maud Sheer
in the London, England, School Admissions and Discharges, 1840-1911
Name: Maud Sheer
Gender: Female
Age: 8
Birth Date: 15 Feb 1885
Admission Date: 20 Feb 1893
School: Woods Road School
Father: George Sheer
Notes: Woods Road School (0543) opened in 1881. Renamed John Donne Primary School in 1951

Address: 8 Dundas Road.

Elsegood
Maud
—
—
—
National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
Camberley, Surrey, England
Elsegood
Maud
1898;;;;;This Maud is actually down as Mabel father James Victoria Terrace,,,,birth date given----26 NOvember 1898, ,,,,
—
1910
National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
Camberley, Surrey, England
Elsegood
Maude
1885----this Maud NOK is Ruth Shear (aunt) 41 Bramah Road.and Maude DOB is given as---10 October 1885,
—


1894
National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
Camberwell, Surrey, England

There is certainly no mistranscription of the baptism record -the image is very clear, and the writing equally so.
;-) ;-)

I hadn’t thought of a mistranscription by the GRO but it is possible. I had checked all births between about 1880 and 1886 under the names of Elsegood and Still and had also checked Matilda as a name. I know Matildas were sometimes called Maud. I find it hard to believe that her birth wasn’t registered. I am beginning to lose hope of finding her but never say never. After 10 years of research and a bit of lateral thinking I found what happened to my great grandfather after 1881. A lot of trees on Ancestry had him dying in the workhouse in the 1880s but I was sure that man wasn’t him and I was right. He didn’t die till 1922. So maybe I’ll still sort Maude out one day.

Although Maud is clearly logged as such in some records, I will throw into the mix that her name could be wrongly transcribed on the GRO index.

I remember a friend researching a Maria, who she lost track of.
She reappeared in later records as Maud, which could be because of the misreading of old style cursive writing.

Thank you all for your efforts on my behalf.

I am not concerned that my girl is Maude E and not Maude A in the 1891 census. This sort of enumerator's mistake is fairly common.

Yes, I do think she is the "adult" baptised in 1895. She was at St John the Divine School for almost 3 years from 1894 to 1896. The authorities there may have insisted on her baptism. As far as the "adult" bit is concerned, I think that particular priest called anyone who was a little older than usual an adult. I was puzzled by that when I saw it so I checked the next entry of James Edgar Park, also marked adult. He was also 10 years old.

As for the birth dates, you have Maude as 19 on the 1901 census, ArgyllGran, but the original image clearly says 17, which would give a birth date of about 1884.but in any case I always check a few years either side of any given date.

ErikaH, James had 7 siblings though 3 died in childhood. My late brother and I checked the other siblings as best we could and there was no reason to think that Maude could have belonged to any of them. The only other thing we could think was that perhaps James Elsegood "took up with" a lady who already had a daughter Maude, but it seems odd that the girl would have lived with different members of James' family and was considered a grandchild and a niece if James wasn't her father.

Kay????, I'm not sure who the Elsegoods in the 1911 Summary Book are. One of James' brothers did live at St Paul's, Deptford but he died in 1896 and I am not aware that he had a shop. There are other unrelated Elsegoods around.

Thank you all for taking the time to look at my brick wall. It is much appreciated.

EDIT I see that ErikaH has told me the names of the Elsegoods Kay???? found. Thank you

That is Edith Emily born c1876, plus her brother Edwin Victor