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Oh those name changes for illegitimate births !
I think a lot of the documentation information was about 'saving face' at times.

I have someone born C.1882, who I couldn't find in birth records.
She was shown as a daughter in 1891 census, but I knew the man and wife had not married until 1885.
Eventually, with help on these boards and looking for all records of her name, (Florence, born in the correct registration district ) I bought her birth certificate registered in her mother's maiden name. (Not the person seeming to be her mother in 1891 census)
Interestingly, because they were not married, her father was not named in the 'father' column, but he in fact registered the birth and was noted by name and as the child's father.
In 1891 Florence has his surname.

I bought her marriage certificate , as shown on birth certificate ie. mother's maiden name ...and it said father unknown... She lived with him him and his wife in 1891 census :-S :-S
.....don't know what they were trying to hide, because in a small village, I'm sure everyone knew the facts anyway.

Chrissie
It certainly looks like the 2 Anns are one and the same person.

It keeps the old grey matter working, Gwyn ;-)

With regard to the names on a census. Doesn’t it depend on how the family regard the child, how the inmumerator asked the question and how well the recoded their notes.

I know of a family with many children, all with several Christian names - the poor inmumerator got so confused that the very young house servant was recorded as one of the children and several of the children were ahead of their time as they seem to have changed sex

Gwyn in Kent yes I agree it does look like the are the same Ann. It was a great spot by LondonBelle.

It may turn out that I am not connected to this Ann but I feel that I have to get the birth certificate to find out for certain if Fanny was her mother.

Chris

One other thing confuses me.

In the 1851 census Fanny Bullock is with William Dunn and his wife Eliza and their children. William Dunn and Eliza Peach married in 1842.

If Fanny Bullock was their niece wouldn't her surname be either Dunn or Eliza's maiden name have been Bullock?

Chris

For Ref 1851 Census

Name: Fanny Bullock
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Stretton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Burton upon Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Burton upon Trent
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Burton Upon Trent
Sub-registration District: Burton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 143
Piece: 2012
Folio: 68
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
William Dunn 36
Eliza Dunn 33
Luke Dunn 6
Thomas Dunn 4
Mary Ann Dunn 1
William Dunn 4 Mo
Fanny Bullock 15

Looks like we are back to the Thorpe/Peach maiden name again!

Her dad was Francis Peach, not found his marriage yet.

Chris

Just found it.

Francis Peach married Ann Thorp 26th September 1810 St Peter's church, Derby.

Definitely back to Thorpe/Peach LondonBelle.


Chris

Harriet, Fanny's mother, was baptised as 'Peach'

First name(s) Harriott
Country England
Last name Peach
Archive reference D4219/1/5
Baptism year 1817
Register type Baptism
Baptism date 02 Mar 1817
Page 119
Father's first name(s) Francis
Record set Staffordshire Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Anne
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Denomination Anglican
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Place Burton upon Trent, St Modwen
Collections from England, Great Britain
County Staffordshire

But married as Thorpe

First name(s) Harriet
County Staffordshire
Last name Thorpe
Country England
Residence Burton upon Trent
Archive reference D4219/1/13
Year 1834
Register type Marriage
Date 17 Nov 1834
Page 355
Spouse's first name(s) Edwin
Record set Staffordshire Marriages
Spouse's last name Bullock
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Spouse's residence Burton upon Trent
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Denomination Anglican
Collections from England, Great Britain
Place Burton upon Trent, St Modwen

Thank you so much LondonBelle.

This has been very confusing. Even Edwin was sometimes Edward but at least occupation stayed the same.

So not only did Ann Upton revert to her mum's maiden name Bullock but so did Harriet, from Peach to Thorpe.

Makes me wonder why.

Chris

UPDATE

Apologies for the delay I have only recently got around to ordering the birth record.I decide to order the Bullock certificate from Staffordshire County Council and wish I hadn't bothered. They wanted an exact date and place of birth, neither which were known. I told them I only knew that the birth had been in the first quarter of 1856. They suggested 1st March and that a 10 year search would be made either side of that date. I gave them Fanny Bullock as the mother's name. Almost two weeks later I got a refund. I ordered the Upton birth last week from GRO and got it back today.

Ann Upton born 7th December 1855 Stretton. No father listed, mother Fanny Bullock, now the wife of John Upton. Birth registered on 11th January 1856.

Thanks for all your input. Knowing my luck she'll probably turn out not to be connected to me after all.

Chris