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ArgyllGran
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21 Oct 2022 16:53 |
That Florence with parents George and Elizabeth is another Florence Lilian!
STONE, FLORENCE LILIAN mmn TURNER GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 706
Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%) Stone George Medway 2a 1175 Turner Elizabeth Sarah Medway 2a 1175
Of course, it's possible that the DOB stated in 1930 is wrong!
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21 Oct 2022 15:21 |
there is this florence ???? 1911 Census For England & Wales 11 Russell St Chatham Kent, Chatham, Kent, England View original record Household members (6 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Stone Head Married Male 33 1878 Painter Finsbury Rochester Kent Elizabeth Stone Wife Married Female 31 1880 - Rainham Rd Chatham Kent George Stone Son - Male 12 1899 School Chatham Kent Charles Stone Son - Male 10 1901 School Chatham Kent William Stone Son - Male 7 1904 - Chatham Kent Florence Stone Daughter - Female 5 1906 - Chatham Kent Transcript of Florence's record
1921 Census Of England & Wales transcript -- medwat
Florrie, George, Elizabeth and 5 others are on this record Sample Record transcript dob 1905
but birth year does not tally with prev records
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21 Oct 2022 14:40 |
With Chatham in mind - a long shot for George Wilson, although a lot older than Florence:
George Wilson in the 1901 England Census Name: George Wilson [Geroge Wilson] Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Gender: Male Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Chatham Search Photos: View blank form Ecclesiastical parish: Chatham St Mary County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Medway Sub-registration district: Rochester and Chatham ED, institution, or vessel: Chatham Barracks Neighbors: Piece: 732 Folio: 43 Page number: 15 Household schedule number: 1
George Wilson in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: George Wilson Gender: Male Marital Status: Married <<<<<< but no wife with him Birth Date: 20 Sep 1876 Residence Date: 1939 Address: 170 New Road Residence Place: Chatham, Kent, England Occupation: Genaral Labourer Line Number: 26 Schedule Number: 85 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: Dhcg Borough: Chatham Registration district: 47-1. Household Members Age George Wilson 63
New Road is less than 1/2 mile from Whittaker Street. I don't see a Whittaker Square anywhere in Chatham, but what I've read as "sq" in Florence's hospital record in 1930 might be "st" instead.
EDIT: No, it's definitely "Sq" in 1930, as it's written twice
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21 Oct 2022 14:32 |
Florence Lilian Stone 1904 Bristol, Gloucestershire, England Brent Knoll Axbridge Somerset
Frances Mary Bishop 1906 Brent Knoll, Somerset, England Brent Knoll Axbridge Somerset
David Iroine Garden 1918 Sussex, England Brent Knoll Axbridge Somerset
Michael Humpstey Garden 1920 Sussex, England Brent Knoll Axbridge Somerset
Richard Titley Garden 1861 Lancashire, England Brent Knoll Axbridge Somerset
Roger Mashiter Garden 1915 Lancashire, England Brent Knoll Axbridge Somerset
Sarah Elizabeth Marie Garden 1880 — Brent Knoll Axbridge Somerset
1921 for Florence Lilian, possibly in service to the Gardens.(should be Gardner)
1911 Census For England & Wales 64 Thurlow Park Road W Norwood, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England
Household members (7 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Richard Titley Gardner Head Married Male 49 1862 Clergyman of the establisher church of private means Lancashire Preesall Sarah Elizabeth Marie Gardner Wife Married Female 30 1881 - Cornwall St Michael Pen Kivel Rosemary Gardner Daughter - Female 3 1908 - London West Hampstead James Carlo Thomas Gardner Son - Male 2 1909 - London West Dulwich Maude Rozier Servant Single Female 20 1891 Cook - domestic London Barnes Elsie Barton Servant Single Female 16 1895 Housemaid - domestic Bucks Bledon Ridge Nellie Violet Bird Servant Single Female 23 1888 Nurse - domestic Suffolk Great Waldingfield
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21 Oct 2022 14:17 |
Posting just in case -
This is the only one of the eight Florence Stones who doesn't have a middle name - if that's relevant:
STONE, FLORENCE mmn FLAY GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in TIVERTON Volume 05B Page 376
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However, that's not her.
to cut a long story short, that Florence married Felix Cottrell, and her DOB (per 1939) was 3 Aug. 1904.
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Sidami
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21 Oct 2022 14:03 |
Thankyou
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ArgyllGran
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21 Oct 2022 13:51 |
Florence Stone and daughter Irene Margaret Sheila (1930), in Medway Union
Florence's DOB 18 Sept 1904. Address: 5 Whittaker Square, Chatham. Florence admitted 1/8 /30; then both Florence and Irene admitted on 2/8/30; discharged 15/8 /30
Florence Stone in the Medway, Kent, England, Poor Law Union Records, 1836-1937 Name: Florence Stone Admission Age: 25 Discharge Age: 25 Birth Date: 18 Sep 1904 Admission Date: 1 Aug 1930 Admission Place: Medway, Kent, England Discharge Date: 2 Aug 1930 Discharge Place: Medway, Kent, England From Whence Admitted: Chatham Record Type: Admission and Discharge Parish or Poor Law Union: Medway Union Register: Creed Register (1924-1930)
There are births of 8 Florence Stones which would fit that DOB.
Ancestry suggests this woman:
Florence Lilian Stone in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Florence Lilian Stone Death Age: 81 Birth Date: 18 Sep 1904 <<<<<<<<<< Registration Date: Oct 1985 Registration District: Sedgemoor Inferred County: Somerset Volume: 23 Page: 1233
Florence Lilian Stone in the UK and Ireland, Find a Grave Index, 1300s-Current Name: Florence Lilian Stone Gender: Female Birth Date: 18 Sep 1904 Birth Place: Bristol, England Death Date: 10 Nov 1985 Death Place: Bristol, England Cemetery: St. John Bristol Road Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Bridgwater, Sedgemoor District, Somerset, England
Note added to Findagrave entry:
Baptised at Brent Knoll, Somerset on 21st June 1914 - parents Walter & Alice Isabel. [source : Brent Knoll Baptism Register] Inscription
IN LOVING MEMORY OF FLORENCE L STONE BORN SEPT. 1904 DIED NOV. 1985 AGED 81 YEARS
ALWAYS REMEMBERED
Florence Stone in the 1911 England Census Name: Florence Stone Age in 1911: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1905 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Bristol Civil Parish: Brent Knoll County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address: Brent St, Brent Knoll, Highbridge, Somerset Occupation: School Registration District Number: 314 Sub-registration District: Burnham ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Piece: 14572 Household Members: Name Age Walter Stone 31 Alice Stone 49 Albert Stone 7 Florence Stone 6 Alice Stone 4 Edgar Charman 19 Kate Lintern 52
However, there are no children with her in 1939 - so Florence Lilian may not be the right person.
Florence L Stone in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Florence L Stone Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Birth Date: 18 Sep 1904 Residence Date: 1939 Address: 1 Welbeck Street Residence Place: St Marylebone, London, England Occupation: Cook Line Number: 13 Schedule Number: 36 Sub Schedule Number: 30 Enumeration District: Arax Borough: St Marylebone Registration district: 7/1 Household Members Age William H Black 32 Sydney L Boackes 25 Alfred L Bolleter 40 Arthur Curry 45 Cyril M Elwell 51 Leonar Hollingbery 28 Philip Jacobs 27 Ronald M Konek 28 Thomas C Land 25 Albert J Lewis 30
(and others - total of 36 people living at 1 Welbeck Street - some sort of hostel ?)
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ErikaH
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21 Oct 2022 12:34 |
As the parents didn't marry, the chances of going any further back are slim............at best
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ArgyllGran
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21 Oct 2022 12:25 |
That 1966 couple suggested by Maddie , were in Lincolnshire until at least 2017,(as Stone, not Stones) .
However, I don't think that's the correct Rodney. Companies House shows that man (again as Stone, not Stones), at the ER address, with birth in January 1946.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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21 Oct 2022 10:53 |
Rodney stones also married in Boston Lincolnshire in 1966
Details should be on freebmd
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ArgyllGran
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20 Oct 2022 15:57 |
To clarify Maddie's last post -
it was Ruby who married in Boston in 1953.
Her death:
WILLCOX, RUBY VIOLET 1932 GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2007 in LINCOLNSHIRE (6091E) Reg 1E001 Entry Number 500309582
She had a daughter, in 1953, Boston, who married in 1974 Boston
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ErikaH
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20 Oct 2022 15:36 |
These people may be living - discretion is needed to avoid possible repercussions!
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ArgyllGran
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20 Oct 2022 15:25 |
Aha! So Rodney 1935/36 is indeed relevant , and we can't find a marriage for the parents because there wasn't one.
Patricia's the only one registered solely as Wilson.
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Maddie
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20 Oct 2022 15:20 |
Name: Irene M S Stones Registration Date: Jul 1930 [Aug 1930] [Sep 1930] Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration District: Medway Inferred County: Kent Mother's Maiden Name: Stones Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 1327
married 1953 boston
Name: Ruby V Stones Registration Date: Oct 1932 [Nov 1932] [Dec 1932] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Medway Inferred County: Kent Mother's Maiden Name: Stones Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 1156
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Maddie
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20 Oct 2022 15:17 |
for what is worth ancestry suggests george married under the name of stone 1966 mansfield
Name: George Stone Registration Date: Oct 1934 [Nov 1934] [Dec 1934] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Newton Abbot Inferred County: Devon Mother's Maiden Name: Stone Volume Number: 5b Page Number: 170
Name: George Wilson Registration Date: Oct 1934 [Nov 1934] [Dec 1934] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Newton Abbot Inferred County: Devon Mother's Maiden Name: Stone Volume Number: 5b Page Number: 170
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ArgyllGran
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20 Oct 2022 15:14 |
Re George 1934 Newton Abbott, suggested by Shirley -
His birth is also registered as Stone, so (whoever he was) his mother presumably wasn't married to Mr Wilson, but she used his surname.
Posting in case it turns out to be relevant:
a Rodney Stone, with mmn Stone, was born in Medway reg district in late 1935 or early 1936 - registered in 1st qr 1936..
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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20 Oct 2022 14:03 |
Exactly We need feedback !
Who is the friend descended from for a start
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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20 Oct 2022 14:01 |
George possibly born 1934 Newton Abbott mmn stone
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ErikaH
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20 Oct 2022 13:48 |
Yes, the records would of course be closed,
There is no dispute about Patricia's birth - it's the others which are under query, although Ruby's does exist, but NOT in 1930
As I said before, no-one can help until feedback is provided
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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20 Oct 2022 13:46 |
WILSON, RUBY VIOLET - GRO Reference: 1932 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 1156
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