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Delboy1978
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10 Sep 2022 22:56 |
Hello All
I am at a loss with this one who is my Great Uncle.
Leonard was born 14th April 1908, Shoreditch to Edward Wood and Harriet Wood (Hills).
I have his birth record, 1911 Census, 1939 Census, School Admissions and his Death Certificate.
1939 Census indicates he was a bus driver living in Twickenham and was married: not spouse appears to be living with him but there is a blacked out line. He is with Trout/Bury family.
His death cert of 1996 indicates he is a retired bus driver living, DOB matches and living just down the road in Richmond Upon Thames. The informant was his widow Florence Wood.
I cannot find him in the 1921 census either.
I am unable to find any marriage prior to 1939 which may match him and any for a Florence prior to his death.
Any fresh eyes would be great thanks.
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KathleenBell
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10 Sep 2022 23:52 |
Can you post the 1939 Register record for him as I can't find it?
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KathleenBell
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10 Sep 2022 23:55 |
There is this possible marriage (if Florence went by her middle name):-
First name(s) Leonard G County London Last name Wood Country England Marriage quarter 3 Volume 1D Marriage year 1930 Volume as transcribed 1D Registration month - Page number 1528 MarriageFinder™ Leonard G Wood married one of these people Helen F Williams Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 Spouse's last name Williams Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records District Wandsworth Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce District number - Collections from Great Britain, England
EDIT - there are another 3 marriages where the bride has a middle initial F.
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nameslessone
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11 Sep 2022 08:31 |
The wife is Florence in the 1964 ER
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ArgyllGran
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11 Sep 2022 08:52 |
1939 for our reference:
Leonard C Wood in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Leonard C Wood Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 14 Apr 1908 Residence Date: 1939 Address: 20 Residence Place: Twickenham, Middlesex, England Occupation: Bus Driver L P T B Line Number: 26 Schedule Number: 60 Sub Schedule Number: 5 Enumeration District: Buea Borough: Twickenham Registration district: 128/2 Household Members Age Thomas Trought 33 - married Lily Trought 32 - married This record is officially closed. Beatrice G Bury 38 - married Leonard C Wood 31
The closed entry is not his wife. If it was, it would have been on the line below his own name.
Beatrice Bury is Thomas and Lily's daughter who married in 1921. The closed entry might be her husband Alfred.
Leonard's middle initial is clearly C on the image - but presumably the enumerator's mistake , assuming this is the right man.
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nameslessone
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11 Sep 2022 11:40 |
There are 4 possible deaths for Florence between 1998 and 2005. All within the Surrey areas. You may need to splash out on those and see if you can find the right one.
Living in Twickenham he was probably based out of the Fulwell Garage.
Added: It might be be worth having a look at what the London Transport Museum has in the way of staff records. They may have staff addresses which might help you do some tracking down.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Sep 2022 12:19 |
FOR ELIMINATION ONLY -
This is the Leonard who married Helen F Williams - also a bus driver, interestingly.
Leonard G Wood in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Leonard G Wood Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 19 Jan 1906 Residence Date: 1939 Address: 161 Residence Place: Merton and Morden, Surrey, England Occupation: Bus Conductor Lptb Line Number: 41 Schedule Number: 299 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: Cmvc Borough: Merton and Morden Registration district: 31/2 Inferred Spouse: Helen L Wood Household Members Age Leonard G Wood 33 Helen L Wood 34 [ middle initial F on image ] Ann R Williams 61
Birth of the above man:
WOOD, LEONARD GEORGE mmn CODLING GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 328
Helen's middle name was Frances:
Helen Frances Wood in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Helen Frances Wood Death Age: 87 Birth Date: 2 Sep 1905 Registration Date: Jan 1993 Registration District: Merton Inferred County: Greater London Register Number: B27 District and Subdistrict: 2441 Entry Number: 80
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ArgyllGran
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11 Sep 2022 12:39 |
In the 1964 ER mentioned by Nameslessone, Florence and Leonard G are at 61 Popes Avenue, Twickenham.
Also at that address is Lorna R Knott.
Marriages Sep 1931 (>99%) Knott Florence Wood Brentford 3a 811 Wood Leonard C Knott Brentford 3a 811
Which brings us back to the middle initial C, as in 1939 for the man born 14 April 1908.
KNOTT, FLORENCE mmn BINLEY GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 86
Sister?
Births Dec 1912 (>99%) Knott Lorna Binley Brentford 3a 139
Deaths Mar 1982 (>99%) KNOTT LORNA 26SE1912 RICHMOND/T 14 1796
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Maddie
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11 Sep 2022 12:41 |
could this be this be the same man in 1931 with edward robert and maud alice wood
Leonard Charles Country England Last name Wood Register type Parliamentary County Year 1931 Archive The British Library Season - Archive reference SPR.Mic.P.578/BL.T.4 Polling district or place - Record set England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1910-1932 Constituency P C of Middlesex, Twickenham Division Category Census, land & surveys Constituency in full Parliamentary County of Middlesex, Twickenham Division Subcategory Electoral Rolls County Middlesex Collections from Great Britain, England
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nameslessone
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11 Sep 2022 12:46 |
The schedular for LTB must have had a nightmare as there is also a Leonard J Wood ( wife Edith) living in Merton and a bus driver on the 1939 index.
Oh the headaches he must have had.
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nameslessone
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11 Sep 2022 13:09 |
1931 ER shows Leonard Charles & Florence Wood were living at 5 Parkside Road, Twickenham.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Sep 2022 13:41 |
Re the ER posted by Maddie for Leonard Charles -
1931 - Leonard Charles, with Edward Robert and Maud Alice, is at 97 Myrtle Road, Twickenham.
1934 - Charles Leonard (sic) and Florence are at 5 Parkside Road, Twickenham. 1935 - Charles Leonard and Florence at that address. 1936 - Leonard Charles and Florence are at 5 Parkside Road.
1937 & 1938 - Leonard Charles and Florence are at 15 Villiers Avenue, Twickenham.
From at least 1947 onwards, Florence and Leonard C (or G) were at 61 Pope's Avenue . He's Leonard C in all years except 1963 and 1964, when he's Leonard G.
Rose Knott (aka Rose L Knott or Lorna R Knott) is at the same address.
Lorna Rose Knott in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995 Name: Lorna Rose Knott Probate Date: 1982
KNOTT, Lorna, otherwise Lorna Rose, of 13 Fitzwygram Close, Hampton Hill, Middlesex, died 28 January 1982.
The 1931 marriage cert might clarify his middle name .
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ArgyllGran
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11 Sep 2022 14:16 |
Leonard Charles is not with Maud Alice and Edward Robert after 1931.
Marriages Jun 1908 (>99%) Bollinson Maud Alice Shoreditch 1c 95 Wood Edward Robert Shoreditch 1c 95
Edward Robert Wood in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1938 Name: Edward Robert Wood Gender: Male Marriage Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1886 Marriage Date: 19 Apr 1908 Marriage Place: St Mary, Haggerston, Hackney, England Father: Edward Wood <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Spouse: Maud Alice Bollinson Register Type: Parish Register
Two children, 1915 and 1917.
There are far more records for Leonard C (or Charles) than there are for Leonard George or G.
The only records with middle initial G are ER 1963-4, and the birth cert which Delboy has.
Leonard Charles (aka Leonard George) seems to be Edward Robert's brother:
WOOD, EDWARD ROBERT mmn HILLS GRO Reference: 1886 M Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 39
Their parents married in 1879 in Shorediitch.
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nameslessone
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11 Sep 2022 15:10 |
Leonard Charles - birth reg Shoreditch 1905 Leonard George - birth reg Shoreditch 1908
How odd they both worked on the buses in the same area.
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Delboy1978
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11 Sep 2022 15:27 |
Thank you all. Leonard also has George as his middle name on his death cert, thats how I came to know his widow is Florence.
His baptism also said he was George Name Leonard George Wood Baptism Age 0 Record Type Baptism Birth Date 14 Apr 1908 Baptism Date 29 Apr 1908 Baptism Place St Mary, Haggerston, Hackney, England Father Edward Wood Mother Harriett Wood I know this is the right one, as the address is 32 Fellows Street which was the family home for many years. here is the 1911 census
Name Leonard Wood Age in 1911 3 Estimated Birth Year 1908 Relation to Head Son Gender Male Birth Place Shoreditch Civil parish Shoreditch County/Island London Country England Street Address 32 Fellows St, Kingsland, Haggerston Registration District Number 16 Sub-registration district Shoreditch North East ED, institution, or vessel 06 Piece 1369 Household members Name Age Edward Wood 54 Harriett Wood 49 Lilian Wood 21 Daisy Wood 18 George Wood 16 Edgar Wood 13 Grace Wood 10 Leonard Wood 3
In 1901 they lived at 25 Fellows Street....must of upgraded!
Edward R Wood was his brother yes and he and Maud had two children: Coincidently: called Edward and Maud!
Their marriage Banns states 32 Fellows Street as well.
So, it looks like possible Leonard went by two middle names! The marriage with Florence Knott looks possible, so I am going to purchase that one to rule it out or in...
Lorna Rose Knott in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995 Name: Lorna Rose Knott Probate Date: 1982 KNOTT, Lorna, otherwise Lorna Rose, of 13 Fitzwygram Close, Hampton Hill, Middlesex, died 28 January 1982.
That address is on Leonard's death certificate! Too much of a coincidence!!
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nameslessone
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11 Sep 2022 15:34 |
Good that you have got some addresses that match with known family homes.
The middle name is confusing. An initial can be written badly but you wouldn’t use another name when filling out official documents.
As yet we haven’t found either of the names at the same address.
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ErikaH
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11 Sep 2022 16:44 |
1921 shows Grace, Edward, Harris(sic) and one other living together
EDITED The ‘one other’ is Ley…………..probably mistranscribed - as is the mother
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Delboy1978
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12 Sep 2022 14:18 |
Marriage Certificate purchased: am hoping this helps to see if this is the right chap!
I am struggling to find Florence Wood's death or her in the 1939 register.
I have found her mum and dad living alone. Her sister Violet was an in-patient at a long stay hospital for people with Learning Disabilities. Agnes the other sister was somewhere else.
Unable to locate Florence (she was also Florrie) and Lorna Knott in 1939 too!
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ArgyllGran
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13 Sep 2022 10:14 |
No, I haven't been able to find them in 1939 either.
They're not at 61 Popes Avenue in 1939, and there's nobody listed at 15 Villiers Avenue.
Perhaps they weren't in England or Wales during the war???
Can't see Florence's death either .
ADDED: You mention a sister Agnes. I don't see such a birth.
There was a sister Annie Elizabeth, born 1906. She married Harry Hill [ born Horace Henry ] in 1923, and they had two children, both of whom (presumably) are the closed records with their parents in Hackney in 1939.
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Delboy1978
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13 Sep 2022 15:12 |
I have seen these births in Brentford
Births Mar 1932 (>99%) Wood Jean P Knott Brentford
Births Dec 1945 (>99%) Wood Janet Knott Brentford
Births Jun 1947 (>99%) Wood Eric S Knott Brentford
Im wondering if they are their children?
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