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7 Aug 2022 12:32 |
There is a tree on Ancestry that suggests that May is Evelyn May , born in 1901 as Erika has given.
If the father is not named on the birth certificate then the parents were not married but he can be named in the baptism records.
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ArgyllGran
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7 Aug 2022 12:31 |
Frank was born 1906, not 1907:
COOPER, FRANK mmn INGRAM GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 563
?? different occupation for the children's father, but Ancestry suggests this is the family in 1911.
Frank Cooper Junior in the 1911 England Census Name: Frank Cooper Junior Age in 1911: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907 Relation to Head: Grandson Gender: Male Birth Place: Newbold On Stone, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Cosford Newbold on Avon Country: England Street Address: Newbold On Avon Registration District Number: 391 Sub-registration District: Rugby ED, institution, or vessel: 07 Piece: 18592 Household Members: Name Age William Cooper 72 Mary Ann Cooper 65 James Cooper 38 - son, married, blacksmith's striker, electrical work. Walter Cooper 33 - son, single Clara Cooper 22 - daughter, single James Cooper 14 - grandson George Cooper 11 - grandson Harry Cooper 6 - grandson Frank Cooper 4
COOPER, HARRY mmn INGRAM GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 586
COOPER, ERNEST GEORGE mmn INGRAM GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 650
COOPER, WILLIAM JONES mmn INGRAM GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 585
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ErikaH
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7 Aug 2022 12:29 |
A tree on Ancestry claims that Edith died in 1915 in Leicestershire..........NO record of it on freebmd
Her birth was registered OND 1873
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Deborah
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7 Aug 2022 12:23 |
Thanks ErikaH, I did wonder if she may have been known as something else.
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ErikaH
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7 Aug 2022 12:20 |
First name(s) Evelyn May Mother's last name Cooper Last name Cooper Place Newbold-On-Avon Birth year 1901 County Warwickshire Birth date 01 May 1901 Country England Baptism year 1901 Source Warwickshire Baptism Index 1538-1900 Baptism date 02 Jun 1901 Record set Warwickshire Baptisms Father's first name(s) William James Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Father's last name Cooper Subcategory Parish Baptisms Mother's first name(s) Edith Ann Collections from England, Great Britain
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ErikaH
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7 Aug 2022 12:20 |
All Cooper/Ingram births registered in Rugby in time-scale
COOPER, - INGRAM GRO Reference: 1895 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 542 COOPER, WILLIAM JONES INGRAM GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 585 COOPER, ERNEST GEORGE INGRAM GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 650 COOPER, JACK INGRAM GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 575 COOPER, ANNETTE ROSE INGRAM GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 602 COOPER, EVELYN MAY INGRAM GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 609 COOPER, KATHLEEN MARY INGRAM GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 611 COOPER, FRANK INGRAM GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 563 COOPER, HARRY INGRAM GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 586 COOPER, HERBERT THOMAS INGRAM GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 594 COOPER, JOHN INGRAM GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 610 COOPER, SYDNEY INGRAM GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in RUGBY Volume 06D Page 1125
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Deborah
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7 Aug 2022 12:19 |
I ordered Herberts birth certificate, it states he was born at 20 Lower Hillmorton Road, Rugby, same address for Mother's residence, she was a launderess.
Interestingly she has not named a Father on the birth certificate and yet the Father is named as William James Cooper on the baptism record.
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Deborah
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7 Aug 2022 12:15 |
Yes, ErikaH he was.
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Deborah
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7 Aug 2022 12:13 |
Herbert is my Cousin's Wife's Father. I was told about Frank, James and May, Herbert was her Father and I just happened to come across John.
Haven't found a death for either of them yet.
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ErikaH
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7 Aug 2022 12:10 |
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Name: William J Cooper Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Death Registration Place: Rugby, Warwickshire, United Kingdom Death Date: Jun 1913 Inferred Death Place: Warwickshire, United Kingdom Volume: 6d Page: 753
I see from the marriage cert that he was a Stone Dresser.
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ArgyllGran
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7 Aug 2022 12:10 |
Just for our reference:
Herbert Thomas Looper in the 1911 England Census Name: Herbert Thomas Looper [Herbert Thomas Cooper] Age in 1911: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Male Civil Parish: Frankton and Princethorpe Country: England Street Address: Frankton Nr Rugby Registration District Number: 391 Sub-registration District: Dunchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Piece: 18626 Household Members: Name Age Edward Olorenshaw 42 Lucy Olorenshaw 50 Herbert Thomas Looper 1 - nurse child
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nameslessone
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7 Aug 2022 12:08 |
Herbert’s birth certificate may give you some clues. Herbert’s mother was either in the workhouse or was using the infirmary just for the birth.
Bear in mind that not everyone actually appears on the census. Some people avoid it, they were travelling overnight, homeless and not found etc.
If you haven’t found the family on the census how do you know about the two children where you can’t find a birth record?
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ErikaH
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7 Aug 2022 12:06 |
Presumably, you have checked that the parents hadn't died by 1911?
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Deborah
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7 Aug 2022 11:55 |
I am a bit stuck!! I have William James Cooper born 19th May 1872 (from Warwickshire Baptism records) Father William Cooper Mother Mary Ann??.
He married Edith Ann Ingram born abt.1874 on 22 May 1893 at Coventry, Holy Trinity, Warwickshire.
I cant find them on the 1901 or 1911 census.
They had 5 children, Francis Laverne (birth registered and also always known as Frank born 28 Aug 1907. John born 1908 New Bilton, Rugby. Herbert Thomas born 14 Mar 1910, Rugby.Also a James and a daughter May, whose births I cant find yet.
I found Herbert in 1911 living with a married couple, address just says Frankton, Rugby, he was age 1, and the census states birth place unknown, and that he came from Rugby Union, which from a Google search seems to be some sort of workhouse/children's home.
I know from a relative that both Herbert and John were sent to Dr. Bernardo's as young children.
John and his brother Frank went out to Canada to do farming. Both in 1920. I found the records. I also discovered they both were married in Canada and stayed there.
My problem is trying to place the family on any census records (apart from Herbert who I mentioned above.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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