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Terence
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9 Jun 2022 00:33 |
Thank you all again for your replies. Time to move on to more 'official' records.
Terence.
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ArgyllGran
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8 Jun 2022 11:48 |
For our reference -
The 1706 baptism you mention:
William Meads in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: William Meads Gender: Male Baptism Date: 28 Aug 1706 Baptism Place: Hurley,Berkshire,England Father: Thomas Meads Mother: Jane FHL Film Number: 88293
This seems to be the burial record they've all assumed is his - in a completely different place:
William Meads in the London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 Name: William Meads Gender: Male Record Type: Burial Death Date: Abt 1707 Burial Date: 8 Jan 1707 Burial Place: Saint Giles Cripplegate, City of London, London, England Father: Thomas Meads
The 1735 marriage is possible, as Clewer and Hurley are only approx 10 miles apart - but no parents' names are recorded, so this might be a completely different William Meads
William Meads in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973 Name: William Meads Gender: Male Marriage Date: 19 Dec 1735 Marriage Place: Clewer, Berkshire, England Spouse: Mary Hayens FHL Film Number: 1279454 Reference ID: item 16
The three children are quite likely the children of the 1735 couple - though not definitely proved. All born in Clewer - William 1736 , Mary 1737 or 1738 (there are 2 transcriptions on Ancestry, but no image to check), and Susan 1740 . Their parents names are William and Mary.
I'm not seeing the 1712 Cookham death, nor the 1750s one you mention, on Ancestry or FS.
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ArgyllGran
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8 Jun 2022 11:22 |
The "rule" in compiling a family tree is to work backwards in time from what you know to be accurate, with documentary evidence.
By the time you reach the 1700s, if you're lucky enough to do so, that's much harder to do, as there's little info given in records - often only the names of the people concerned, with no ages or parents' names.
Then it's tempting just to start guessing and assuming!
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8 Jun 2022 10:38 |
Cpmment - never trust anyone elses tree until you have done your own research and proved or disproved it. Especially never trust a mass copying of trees as you will never work out which one was the first.
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Terence
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8 Jun 2022 01:41 |
Thank you both again for your comments. Apologies, I should have mentioned I was only referring to wrong info on members trees. On that subject, on Ancestry, I have a William Meads1706, son of John and Jane and I find 30 members quote his death a year after his birth. No 31 shows a marriage to Mary Hay(e)ns in 1735 and 3 children. Records on FMP show a burial 1712 in Holy Trinity Church, Cookham (which I visited 10 years ago) and a marriage 1735 in Clewer, Berks. A death in the 1750's? Could I respectfully request your comments?
Terence.
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nameslessone
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7 Jun 2022 09:32 |
So you are using Ancestry & FS. Have you considered buying the CD covering Henley from the Oxfordshire FHS? (South Oxfordshire Disc 4). These are usaully the source of the information on various websites.
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ErikaH
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7 Jun 2022 08:47 |
Any ‘wrong’ info on Ancestry would usually be in a tree - the site itself may have mistranscriptions, but they don’t as a rule invent info which isn’t on the original document
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Terence
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7 Jun 2022 01:14 |
I had not found James first marriage on either FMP or FS. The wrong information is often on Ancestry, such as the middle name of "May".
Many thanks to all of you again.
Terence.
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Maddie
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5 Jun 2022 12:33 |
??? Elizabeth Father's occupation Lab. Last name Hester Mother's first name Ann Baptism year 1819 Mother's last name Hester Baptism date 03 Jan 1819 County Berkshire Place Wallingford Country England Church St Leonard Record set Berkshire Baptisms Index Relationship d/o Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Father's first name John Subcategory Parish Baptisms Father's last name Hester Collections from England, Great Britain Father's residence Little Fish St
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Maddie
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5 Jun 2022 12:21 |
Name: Susan Meeds Baptism Date: 10 May 1835 Baptism Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England Parish as it Appears: Henley on Thames Search Photos: View Map Father: William Meeds labourer Mother: Elizabeth Meeds
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nameslessone
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5 Jun 2022 11:59 |
One hopes, with all the research help you have been given over the years that you have come across hahg, the Henley Archeology and history group. If you have were they any help?
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ErikaH
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5 Jun 2022 11:14 |
Have any of these people featured previously in the multiple Meads threads on here?
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jun 2022 09:55 |
Re the second wife, Elizabeth Hester:
Elizabeth Kester [ Hester ] in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 Name: Elizabeth Kester Gender: Female Age: Full Age Marriage or Bann Date: 16 Jun 1844 Marriage Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England Parish as it Appears: Henley Spouse: James Meads [widower, carrier ]
Witnesses: Elizabeth Denton (as for first marriage) and William [ ?? Leaver / Seaver / Hauer ]
According to censuses in 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, she was born in Wallingford, Berkshire.
However, I can't see a baptism record, so no way of telling what her mother's name was.
The 1841 census for Elizabeth Parson says that both Elizabeth Parson and Elizabeth Mead were born in Oxfordshire. Not that that necessarily proves anything.
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jun 2022 09:49 |
I assume this is the death you say is Elizabeth May's:
Where did you find the middle name May?
MEADES, ELIZABETH 33 GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in HENLEY Volume 16 Page 49
Elizabeth Meads in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1965 Name: Elizabeth Meads Age: 33 Birth Year: abt 1806 Burial Date: 6 May 1839 Burial Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England Parish as it Appears: Henley Upon Thames
Elizabeth Clark [ spinster ] in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 Name: Elizabeth Clark Gender: Female Marriage or Bann Date: 17 Nov 1832 Marriage Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England Parish as it Appears: Henley On Thames Spouse: James Meaders [ bachelor ]
Witnesses are Robert Clark and Elizabeth Denton.
Possibly her birth ???
Elizabeth Clark in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Baptism, Marriages, and Burials, 1538-1812 Name: Elizabeth Clark Event Type: Baptism Birth Date: 6 Jul 1807 Baptism Date: 26 Jul 1807 Baptism Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England Father: Robert Clark Mother: Mary Clark
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jun 2022 09:19 |
I can't see the other 1841 with Elizabeth Parson, on either Ancestry or FreeCen.
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Oh yes, here's Ancestry's mistranscription:
Elizabeth Parren in the 1841 England Census Name: Elizabeth Parren Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Gender: Female Where born: Oxfordshire, England Civil parish: Henley Upon Thames Hundred: Binfield County/Island: Oxfordshire Country: England Registration district: Henley Sub-registration district: Henley Neighbors: Piece: 874 Book: 5 Folio: 9 Page number: 9 Household Members Age Elizabeth Parren 50 - washerwoman Elizabeth Meads 42 - paper maker Thomas Meads 4 Sereen Meads 6
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ArgyllGran
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5 Jun 2022 09:05 |
For our reference -
this is the 1841 you mention for Elizabeth Hester, per Ancestry's transcription.
also with her , but not transcribed as such on Ancestry, are
James Meads, 35, born Oxfordshire, cordiner (??? can't really make out the occupation). Suky Meads, 5, Oxfordshire.
Elizabeth Herter in the 1841 England Census Name: Elizabeth Herter [Elizabeth Hester] Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Female Civil parish: Henley Upon Thames Hundred: Binfield County/Island: Oxfordshire Country: England Registration district: Henley Sub-registration district: Henley Neighbors: Piece: 874 Book: 5 Folio: 14 Page number: 20 Household Members Age Elizabeth Herter 25 - FS, not born Oxfordshire.
James and Suky are transcribed separately:
Suky Mead in the 1841 England Census Name: Suky Mead Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Gender: Female Where born: Oxfordshire, England Civil parish: Henley Upon Thames Hundred: Binfield County/Island: Oxfordshire Country: England Registration district: Henley Sub-registration district: Henley Neighbors: Piece: 874 Book: 5 Folio: 14 Page number: 20 Household Members Age Jane Mead 35 [ James on image ] Suky Mead 5
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Terence
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5 Jun 2022 08:20 |
Going round in circles trying to confirm the results of James Meads b1803 marriages in Henley Oxfordshire. I have Elizabeth May Clark m1832, children Susan May b1836 and Luke b1837. Then married Elizabeth Hester in1844 and then 5 children not until 1850 - 1862. Elizabeth May died 1839. The 1841 census shows James35yrs, Luky, (or Susan5yrs) and Elizabeth Hester25yrs. But.....another 1841 census shows Elizabeth Parson50yrs, Elizabeth Meads42yrs, Thomas Meads11yrs and Susan Meads6yrs. Considering the rounding of dates in the 1841 census, Elizabeth Meads b1799 could be Susan May's mother or aunt? As there is an Elizabeth Parson b1791. Also there is a Thomas Meads b1830. Everyone is in the same town. Can anyone sort this out please.
Terence Meads. South Australia.
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