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Going round in circles trying to confirm the results of James Meads b1803 marriages in Henley Oxfordshire. I have Elizabeth May Clark m1832, children Susan May b1836 and Luke b1837. Then married Elizabeth Hester in1844 and then 5 children not until 1850 - 1862.
Elizabeth May died 1839. The 1841 census shows James35yrs, Luky, (or Susan5yrs) and Elizabeth Hester25yrs. But.....another 1841 census shows Elizabeth Parson50yrs, Elizabeth Meads42yrs, Thomas Meads11yrs and Susan Meads6yrs.
Considering the rounding of dates in the 1841 census, Elizabeth Meads b1799 could be Susan May's mother or aunt? As there is an Elizabeth Parson b1791.
Also there is a Thomas Meads b1830. Everyone is in the same town.
Can anyone sort this out please.

Terence Meads. South Australia.

For our reference -

this is the 1841 you mention for Elizabeth Hester, per Ancestry's transcription.

also with her , but not transcribed as such on Ancestry, are

James Meads, 35, born Oxfordshire, cordiner (??? can't really make out the occupation).
Suky Meads, 5, Oxfordshire.

Elizabeth Herter
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Herter [Elizabeth Hester]
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Civil parish: Henley Upon Thames
Hundred: Binfield
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Henley
Sub-registration district: Henley
Neighbors:
Piece: 874
Book: 5
Folio: 14
Page number: 20
Household Members Age
Elizabeth Herter 25 - FS, not born Oxfordshire.



James and Suky are transcribed separately:

Suky Mead
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Suky Mead
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Henley Upon Thames
Hundred: Binfield
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Henley
Sub-registration district: Henley
Neighbors:
Piece: 874
Book: 5
Folio: 14
Page number: 20
Household Members Age
Jane Mead 35 [ James on image ]
Suky Mead 5

I can't see the other 1841 with Elizabeth Parson, on either Ancestry or FreeCen.


EDIT:

Oh yes, here's Ancestry's mistranscription:

Elizabeth Parren
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Parren
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Henley Upon Thames
Hundred: Binfield
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Henley
Sub-registration district: Henley
Neighbors:
Piece: 874
Book: 5
Folio: 9
Page number: 9
Household Members Age
Elizabeth Parren 50 - washerwoman
Elizabeth Meads 42 - paper maker
Thomas Meads 4
Sereen Meads 6

I assume this is the death you say is Elizabeth May's:

Where did you find the middle name May?


MEADES, ELIZABETH 33
GRO Reference: 1839 J Quarter in HENLEY Volume 16 Page 49


Elizabeth Meads
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1965
Name: Elizabeth Meads
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1806
Burial Date: 6 May 1839
Burial Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Henley Upon Thames



Elizabeth Clark [ spinster ]
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Elizabeth Clark
Gender: Female
Marriage or Bann Date: 17 Nov 1832
Marriage Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Henley On Thames
Spouse: James Meaders [ bachelor ]

Witnesses are Robert Clark and Elizabeth Denton.




Possibly her birth ???

Elizabeth Clark
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Baptism, Marriages, and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: Elizabeth Clark
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1807
Baptism Date: 26 Jul 1807
Baptism Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England
Father: Robert Clark
Mother: Mary Clark

Re the second wife, Elizabeth Hester:


Elizabeth Kester [ Hester ]
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name: Elizabeth Kester
Gender: Female
Age: Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 16 Jun 1844
Marriage Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Henley
Spouse: James Meads [widower, carrier ]

Witnesses: Elizabeth Denton (as for first marriage) and William [ ?? Leaver / Seaver / Hauer ]


According to censuses in 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, she was born in Wallingford, Berkshire.

However, I can't see a baptism record, so no way of telling what her mother's name was.


The 1841 census for Elizabeth Parson says that both Elizabeth Parson and Elizabeth Mead were born in Oxfordshire.
Not that that necessarily proves anything.

Have any of these people featured previously in the multiple Meads threads on here?

One hopes, with all the research help you have been given over the years that you have come across hahg, the Henley Archeology and history group. If you have were they any help?

Name: Susan Meeds
Baptism Date: 10 May 1835
Baptism Place: Henley on Thames, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Henley on Thames
Search Photos:
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Father:
William Meeds labourer
Mother:
Elizabeth Meeds

???
Elizabeth
Father's occupation Lab.
Last name Hester
Mother's first name Ann
Baptism year 1819
Mother's last name Hester
Baptism date 03 Jan 1819
County Berkshire
Place Wallingford
Country England
Church St Leonard
Record set Berkshire Baptisms Index
Relationship d/o
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name John
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's last name Hester
Collections from England, Great Britain
Father's residence Little Fish St

I had not found James first marriage on either FMP or FS.
The wrong information is often on Ancestry, such as the middle name of "May".

Many thanks to all of you again.

Terence.

Any ‘wrong’ info on Ancestry would usually be in a tree - the site itself may have mistranscriptions, but they don’t as a rule invent info which isn’t on the original document

So you are using Ancestry & FS. Have you considered buying the CD covering Henley from the Oxfordshire FHS? (South Oxfordshire Disc 4). These are usaully the source of the information on various websites.

Thank you both again for your comments. Apologies, I should have mentioned I was only referring to wrong info on members trees.
On that subject, on Ancestry, I have a William Meads1706, son of John and Jane and I find 30 members quote his death a year after his birth. No 31 shows a marriage to Mary Hay(e)ns in 1735 and 3 children. Records on FMP show a burial 1712 in Holy Trinity Church, Cookham (which I visited 10 years ago) and a marriage 1735 in Clewer, Berks. A death in the 1750's?
Could I respectfully request your comments?

Terence.

Cpmment - never trust anyone elses tree until you have done your own research and proved or disproved it.
Especially never trust a mass copying of trees as you will never work out which one was the first.

The "rule" in compiling a family tree is to work backwards in time from what you know to be accurate, with documentary evidence.

By the time you reach the 1700s, if you're lucky enough to do so, that's much harder to do, as there's little info given in records - often only the names of the people concerned, with no ages or parents' names.

Then it's tempting just to start guessing and assuming!

For our reference -

The 1706 baptism you mention:

William Meads
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: William Meads
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 28 Aug 1706
Baptism Place: Hurley,Berkshire,England
Father: Thomas Meads
Mother: Jane
FHL Film Number: 88293


This seems to be the burial record they've all assumed is his - in a completely different place:

William Meads
in the London, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
Name: William Meads
Gender: Male
Record Type: Burial
Death Date: Abt 1707
Burial Date: 8 Jan 1707
Burial Place: Saint Giles Cripplegate, City of London, London, England
Father: Thomas Meads


The 1735 marriage is possible, as Clewer and Hurley are only approx 10 miles apart - but no parents' names are recorded, so this might be a completely different William Meads


William Meads
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973
Name: William Meads
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 19 Dec 1735
Marriage Place: Clewer, Berkshire, England
Spouse: Mary Hayens
FHL Film Number: 1279454
Reference ID: item 16


The three children are quite likely the children of the 1735 couple - though not definitely proved.
All born in Clewer - William 1736 , Mary 1737 or 1738 (there are 2 transcriptions on Ancestry, but no image to check), and Susan 1740 .
Their parents names are William and Mary.

I'm not seeing the 1712 Cookham death, nor the 1750s one you mention, on Ancestry or FS.

Thank you all again for your replies.
Time to move on to more 'official' records.

Terence.