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just to complicate the issue, found at least one of the Brown children baptised at St Clement Dane, Westminster between 1811 and 1819, was the chld of a tailor.
Name: John Brown
Age: 0
Birth Date: Abt 1814
Baptism Date: 7 Aug 1814
Baptism Place: St Clement Danes, London, Westminster, England
Parish as it Appears: St Clement Danes
Father: Abraham Brown
Mother: Ann Brown
father a tailor, 7 Haughton St.
Name: Hannah Brown
Age: 0
Birth Date: Abt 1816
Baptism Date: 24 Nov 1816
Baptism Place: St Clement Danes, London, Westminster, England
Parish as it Appears: St Clement Danes
Father: Abraham Brown
Mother: Ann Brown
Father a tailor, 7 Houghton St.
Name: Elizabeth Brown
Age: 0
Birth Date: Abt 1819
Baptism Date: 10 Jan 1819
Baptism Place: St Clement Danes, London, Westminster, England
Parish as it Appears: St Clement Danes
Father: Abraham Brown
Mother: Ann Brown
Father a tailor, 7 Haughton/Houghton St
This family do give their children just single names though, so probably not your Abraham and Ann, even allowing for the two children born 1811 and 1812?
First name(s) Mary Ann
County Middlesex
Last name Brown
Country England
Birth year 1811
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Birth date 08 Jan 1811
Page -
Baptism year 1811
Record set Westminster Baptisms
Baptism date 27 Jan 1811
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) Abraham
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Collections from England, Great Britain
Parish St Clement Danes
First name(s) William
Country England
Last name Brown
Father's first name(s) Abraham
Birth year 1812
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Birth date 17 Jun 1812
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Baptism year 1812
Record set Westminster Baptisms
Baptism date 05 Jul 1812
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Parish St Anne, Soho
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Middlesex
William was baptised ST Anne, Soho, rather than St Clement Dane.
no details of father's occupation or address on the pre 1813 registers
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Whilst waiting for Michael to feed back here as Erika suggested...
On TWSB's St Mary's Wivenhoe baptism, his father Abraham was a tailor.
I posted that one of the witnesses on the 1832 marriage at Westminster that Erika found was an A. Brown, I'm hoping it just might have been father Abraham (or mother Ann).
I found this couple in Westminster in 1841, even allowing for the ages of adults being rounded down to the nearest 5 years, they are a bit younger than your Abraham and Ann, but the image shows Abraham to be a tailor, and both Abraham and Ann not to have been born 'in county' ie not born London.
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
George Street, St Mary Woolchurch, City of London, London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Abraham Brown Male 55 1786 - (tailor)
Ann Brown Female 55 1786 -
Emma Brown Female 20 1821 Middlesex, England
George Brown Male 18 1823 Middlesex, England
Charlotte Youlden Female 25 1816 -
the children tie in with these baptisms below, but at present I can only find them on FMP, so no images. Ancestry has images but the search throws up a lot of clutter, even when you're being specific.
EDIT. There is a Charlotte Youlden in the census return above. Emma Maria Brown, daur of Abraham Brown, tailor, married Robert Youlden, mariner, at St Mary Woolnoth
City of London on 24th Nov 1850
There seem to be quite a few births to a couple or couples called Abraham and Ann Brown in the Westminster area, may be more than one couple, as common names.
Double baptism at St Margaret's Westminster in 1823 , Emma is older than George.
First name(s) Emma Maria
County Middlesex
Last name Brown
Country England
Birth year 1821
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Birth date 23 Dec 1821
Page 114
Baptism year 1823
Record set Westminster Baptisms
Baptism date 18 May 1823
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) Abraham
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Collections from England, Great Britain
Parish St Margaret, Westminster
First name(s) George Abraham
County Middlesex
Last name Brown
Country England
Birth year 1822
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Birth date 23 Dec 1822
Page 114
Baptism year 1823
Record set Westminster Baptisms
Baptism date 18 May 1823
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) Abraham
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Collections from England, Great Britain
Parish St Margaret, Westminster
Images on Ancestry show the children in the next baptisms below to be the children of a tailor, but Jones features as a forename, so is it a different couple, or a different wife, mmn Jones, or was Jones a name in either the Scartlebery or Brown family?
Maria may clash (one born Feb, one born Dec 1821) with the birth of Emma Maria in the baptisms above, indicating at least two Abraham Brown, tailor, and wife Ann breeding pairs in the area.
Name: Maria Frances Jones Brown
Age: 3
Birth Date: 17 Feb 1821
Baptism Date: 22 Feb 1824
Baptism Place: St James, Piccadilly (St James, Westminster), London, Westminster, England
Parish as it Appears: St James, Westminster
Father: Abram Brown
Mother: Ann Brown
Maria married feb 12th 1843 at ST James Westminster (same church as TWSB & Charlotte in 1832) she is described as a minor, ie under 21, father Abram Brown, Tailor. Husband James Peter Brennan, watchmaker.
Name: Henry Edward Jones Brown
Age: 0
Birth Date: 9 Sep 1825
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1826
Baptism Place: St James, Piccadilly (St James, Westminster), London, Westminster, England
Parish as it Appears: St James, Westminster
Father: Abram Brown
Mother: Ann Brown
Father a tailor.
Henry married Arabella Nind in March 1846 at St John's Clerkenwell, his father was Abraham Brown, Tailor. Genry was a watchmaker.
another Child born to the same couple, also baptised ST James
First name(s) Mary Edward Jones
Country England
Last name Brown
Father's first name(s) Abram
Birth year 1825
Mother's first name(s) Ann
Birth date 09 Sep 1825
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Baptism year 1826
Record set Westminster Baptisms
Baptism date 24 Feb 1826
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Parish St James
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Middlesex
Collections from England, Great Britain
no image to check father's occupation
and, this one with father's occpation, Tailor.
Name: Sarah Ann Lack Brown
Age: 3
Birth Date: Abt 1826
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1826
Baptism Place: St James, Piccadilly (St James, Westminster), London, Westminster, England
Parish as it Appears: St James, Westminster
Father: Abram Brown
Mother: Ann Brown
despite what the transcript says about born c1826,, the image says 'child about 3 years of age'. Entry is above that for Henry Edward Jones Brown. Address King St.
There was a couple called Abraham and Ann baptising children at St Clement Danes from a least 1811-1819, I assumed, perhaps wrongly, not the right Abraham as baptisms in 1811, and 1812, which straddle the 1812 marriage in Kent of your couple.
These might be complete red herrings as Abraham and Ann and Brown are all very common names, and 'tailor' not an uncommon occupation, but just in case anyone can do something with the info....
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To expand slightly on the 1832 marriage
Charlotte Petchell and Thomas William Skentlebery Brown were married by banns on 14th May 1832 at St James, Westminster by Thos Murray Browne, curate.
Witnesses were A. Brown and Catherine Ann Branning.
The groom signed the register, the bride made her mark. Both were recorded as otp.
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There may be other Scantlebury -Brown marriages, that of Dr Vera Scantlebury Brown OBE, nee Scantlebury, and her husband Edward Byram Brown in Australia, 1926, for instance. There was a son and daughter from that marriage.
They and their descendants, if any, may have remained in Australia, but might also have migrated elsewhere, and included Scantlebury as a forename.
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Name: Anne Scantlesbury
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 21 Feb 1812
Marriage Place: Hythe, Kent, England
Spouse:
Abraham Brown
FHL Film Number: 1736837
Reference ID: it1 DCB/BTI/126 p198
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Name: Ann Brown
Gender: Female
Death Age: 39
Birth Date: 1780
Death Date: abt 1819
Burial Date: 28 Oct 1819
Burial Place: St. Peter Thanet, Kent, England
FHL Film Number: 1836278
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Brown
Thomas William Skentlebery
Charlotte Petchell
1832
England Marriages 1538-1973
Westminster, Middlesex, England
NO OTHER INFO on FMP
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Thomas William Scantlebury Brown
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 Apr
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1813
Baptism Place: Wivenhoe, St Mary the Virgin, Essex, England
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Father: Abraham Brown
Mother: Ann Brown
Source Description: Baptism Register; Service of Church: Registers of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials; Incumbent; Wivenhoe, St Mary the Virgin; Parish Records;1813-1
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William Scantlebury Brown
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Name: William Scantlebury Brown
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 26 Apr 1813
Baptism Place: St Margaret,Ipswich,Suffolk,England
Father:
Abraham Brown
Mother:
Ann
FHL Film Number: 952318
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Abraham Brown
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Name: Abraham Brown
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 5 Jul 1775
Baptism Place: New Romney, Kent, England
Father:
Isaac Brown
Mother:
Ann
FHL Film Number: 1737002
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In case it helps later, Abraham's occupation is recorded as tailor on the St Mary Wivenhoe baptism.
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How did you work back to an 1812 marriage if you don’t know what happened to the issue?
have you looked, at least, for death info on freebmd?
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He married an Ann Scantlebury in Hythe Kent in 1812.
Only two clues so far in that there was a son named William Scantlebury Brown christened 1813 in Ipswich Suffolk and a later christening with the name of Thomas added as a first name at Wivenhoe Essex[presume two family areas].
Can anybody give me any further details as to whether the son[or further children] lived to adulthood and continued the family line.
Await with hope of a breakthrough!
Regards.
Michael. :-)
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