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Would anyone please try and give me a bit of assistance with George Cooper.

A very common name, but people on here gave me wonderful leads with his daughter Sarah Ann.

So, George Cooper born c. 1949. Now here is the rub.

1881 Campbell Road, Islington. He states his birth in Jersey, Channel Islands.

1891, 1901, 1911 variously, Pleasant Passage and Slaney Place, Islington, he states Holloway, Islington.

Married to a Mary Ann, if anyone can find a marriage certificate I would appreciate it.

Children. George 1868, Sarah Ann 1873, Emma 1879, Annie 1880, Jessie Emily 1886.

Any information to enable me to go back a further generation would be greatly appreciated.

I may not be back until later on tonight, so thanking you in advance.

Your post suggests an earlier thread...............

And, presumably, you intended to say he was born c1849?

COOPER, JESSIE EMILY GREEN
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 425

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Marriages Jun 1877 (>99%)
Cooper George Marylebone 1a 929
Green Mary Ann Marylebone 1a 929

For INFO.............seeing the census detail makes life easier

1891
Name: George Cooper
Gender: Male
Age: 42
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1849
Spouse: Mary A Cooper
Child: Emma Cooper
Birth Place: Kingsland, London, England
Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabus
Residence Place: London, Islington, London, England
Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Highbury
ED, Institution or Vessel: 32
Piece: 177
Folio: 185
Household Members Age Relationship
George Cooper 42 Head.....GENERAL DEALER
Mary A Cooper 37 Wife..............GENERAL DEALER
Emma Cooper 12 Daughter

FMP alerts me to having previously accessed this record..........!!!!!!


1881
George Cooper Head Married Male 32 1849 Dealer general Jersey, Channel Islands
Mary A Cooper Wife Married Female 27 1854 Florist (artf) Islington, Middlesex, England
George Cooper Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar Islington, Middlesex, England
Sarah A Cooper Daughter Single Female 9 1872 Scholar Islington, Middlesex, England
Emma Cooper Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Islington, Middlesex, England

I'd be surprised if George jnr was Mary's child

Where is 'Annie'?

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1397017

1911 census says they have been married for 40 years (so c 1871 if true)
6 children born, 3 have died

1911 Census For England & Wales
9 Salney Place, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Cooper Head Married Male 63 1848 General dealer London Holloway
Mary Ann Cooper Wife Married Female 56 1855 Fishmonger London Holloway
Jessie Cooper Daughter Single Female 25 1886 Fishmonger London Holloway
Emma Randall Grandchild - Female 7 1904 - London Holloway

1921

Jessie Emily
Cooper
1886
London, London, England
Islington
Islington
London, Middlesex

Joseph
Elwin
1895
London, London, England
Islington
Islington
London, Middlesex

Mary Ann
Cooper
1853
London, London, England
Islington
Islington
London, Middlesex

Mary Ann
Elwin
1870
West Ham, Essex, England
West Ham
West Ham
Essex, London

David
Miller
1881
London, London, England
Islington
Islington
London, Middlesex

Emma
Randall
1904
London, London, England
Islington
Islington
London, Middlesex

1877 Marriage above.....according to the image on Ancestry, Mary Ann Green married George Jennings

Marriages Jun 1877
Cooper George Marylebone 1a 929
>>>Green Mary Ann Marylebone 1a 929
>>>Jennings George Marylebone 1a 929
NEWITT Ellen Marylebone 1a 929

That rules that one out then.............thanks for checking

Back to the drawing board

1901 answers my question about ANNIE............note birth year

14, Pleasant Passage, Islington, London & Middlesex, England
George Cooper Head Married Male 52 1849 General dealer Holloway, Middlesex, England
Mary A Cooper Wife Married Female 46 1855 - Holloway, Middlesex, England
Jessie Cooper Daughter - Female 15 1886 - Holloway, Middlesex, England
Annie Cooper Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Holloway, Middlesex, England
Jacob Cook Boarder Widower Male 79 1822 - Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England

COOPER, ANNIE GREEN
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 428

Name: Jessie Emily Cooper
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 Apr 1886 (Born 28 March)
Baptism Place: St Mary, Islington, Islington, England
Father: George Cooper, Costermonger
Mother: Mary Ann Cooper
Register Type: Parish Register

RANDALL, EMMA COOPER
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 373

Name: Emma Randall
Baptism Age: 13
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1904
Baptism Date: 19 Aug 1917
Baptism Place: St John, Highbury Park, Islington, England
Father: Joseph Randall........Soldier
Mother's name not recorded

Marriages Mar 1900 (>99%)
Cooper Emma Islington 1b 249
Randall Joseph Islington 1b 249

An interesting snippet from the poster's earlier thread........

"Just read back again.

I am more interested in Sarah. But I thought that Wm Lewis would be an easier name to research.

Sarah's parents were Geo. Cooper and Mary Ann Green.

I have her birth certificate, along with that of her sister Jessie".

So she knew the MMN....................... :-0 :-0 :-0

Please give full details from the birth cert you have for Sarah.........

Speculating - not something I would normally do

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, Chapel Place, St Mary, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

Sarah Green Head Widow Female 36 1825 General dealer Not Known
Eliza Green Daughter - Female 14 1847 Domestic servant Not Known
Emma Green Daughter - Female 12 1849 Scholar Holloway, Middlesex, England
Annie Green Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Holloway, Middlesex, England
Mary A Green Daughter - Female 6 1855 Scholar Holloway, Middlesex, England
James Green Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar Holloway, Middlesex, England
Catherine Green Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Holloway, Middlesex, England
James Carpenter Boarder Unmarried Male 35 1826 General dealer Islington, Middlesex, England
Robert Minton Nephew Married Male 25 1836 Plumber & painter Islington, Middlesex, England
Jane Minton Niece Married Female 18 1843 - Islington, Middlesex, England


AND/OR............(note address)....although birthplace is 'wrong'

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Campbell Road, Islington, London & Middlesex, England
William Ranwell Head - Male 34 1837 - Surrey, England
Annie Ranwell Wife - Female 34 1837 - Middlesex, England
William Ranwell Son - Male 15 1856 - Middlesex, England
George Ranwell Son - Male 13 1858 - Middlesex, England
Mary Ann Green Servant - Female 16 1855 - Surrey, England
Samuel Ranwell Visitor - Male 75 1796 - Kent, England
Caroline Tomkins Visitor - Female 39 1832 - Surrey, England

Thank you Erika, once again for your detailed input.

I needed a fresh eye on the information I thought I had. Although with name like Cooper it could have been any number of options.

Yes indeed you did help me earlier when I was enquiring about Sarah Ann, George's daughter.

As you suspected, I had a 'finger slip' and typed 1949 when it should have been 1849.

And I did assume it was that Mary Ann Green, but yet again it is a common name. And as LondonBelle has rechecked, it may not be so after all.

As you so rightly said, if the Census is to be believed, the marriage date would have been 1871, so that does not make sense either.

As for George Jnr. although improbable, but not impossible, it would have meant that Mary Ann had him when she was 14.

Thank you so much for the 1921 information. I know that to be Jessie, and I know who Dave Miller and Emma Randall are with regards to the family, but the others on the Census, I havent a clue.

On Jessie and Sarah's birth certificate, they both state George and Mary Ann nee Green, but it does not follow with the Census to my way of thinking.

On the other hand, who knows if the information on the Census is completely true.

I am still trying to fathom whether George was born in the Channel Isles or Holloway.

I am reluctant to order a marriage certificate for George and Mary Ann until I am more certain in my mind if these are the correct people.

Thank you for your time, it is appreciated. But I am acting on limited information from family members and wild guesses thrown in too.

I think I have realised that word of mouth is not always what it seems.

Thanks again.

As already asked, please give FULL details from Sarah's birth cert............

I appreciate that it costs money but the marriage certificate should give you George’s fathers name and you might then be able to sort out whether he was, in fact born in Jersey. There is a John George Cooper born in Jersey in about 1852. His fathers name was John Cooper , a sailor. (Ancestry)

There is NO record anywhere of a marriage between this George Cooper and Mary Ann Green