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ArgyllGran
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18 Apr 2022 18:01 |
I wonder if someone can help me find out what happened to Iris after 1931, please?
PLEASE NOTE: I know all about her parents and siblings, so please don't waste your time on them. It's only Iris I need to know about.
This is all I can find:
ALLEN, IRIS MARGARET MAY mmn BUTLER GRO Reference: 1903 J Quarter in BRACKLEY Volume 03B Page 7
Iris Margaret May Allen in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Iris Margaret May Allen Gender: Female Baptism Date: 5 Jul 1903 Baptism Place: Brackley, Northampton, England Father: Walter Allen Mother: Kate FHL Film Number: 6126776 Reference ID: yr 1884-1915 p 140
Iris Margaret May Allen in the 1911 England Census Name: Iris Margaret May Allen Age in 1911: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: Brackley, Northamptonshire Civil Parish: Hethe, Hardwick, Tusmore and Cottisford Country: England Street Address: Tusmore Bicester Oxon Registration District Number: 154 Sub-registration District: Bicester ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Piece: 8177 Household Members: Name Age Walter Allen 34 Kate Allen 32 Iris Margaret May Allen 7 Edith Mabel Allen 6 Vera Kate Allen 4 Reginald Walter Allen 2 Edith Butler 25 - cousin
(There are other siblings born after 1911).
Her parents and four of her siblings are in Stratton Audley in 1921, but she's not with them. There's an Iris Margaret Allen 1902 in Wantage, Berks, in 1921 - but born in Hampshire, unless that 's a mistranscription.
In 1929, 1930 and 1931 she's living in some sort of women's hostel or similar , in Reading (Possibly nurses' home, as the old Battle Hospital was at 344 Oxford Road - or maybe live-in accommodation for other hospital staff):
Iris Margaret May Allen in the Berkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1965 Name: Iris Margaret May Allen Residence Date: 1931 Street Address: 344 Oxford Road Residence Place: Berkshire, England Parliamentary Division: Reading Borough
After 1931 she seems to disappear. At least, she doesn't show up with both her middle names or initials, which would help. There are lots of Iris M or Iris Margaret Allens.
I may have to buy her birth cert, for her exact DOB.
An Iris M Allen married in Reading in 1946, but her middle name was Maud.
Iris Margaret May is on two public trees on Ancestry. One has nothing for her after 1911. The other wrongly claims her death is that of an Iris Jessie May Allen in 1918.
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nameslessone
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18 Apr 2022 19:48 |
If she was a nurse you may find her on the nurses register - try ancestry.
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ArgyllGran
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18 Apr 2022 21:09 |
No, I've tried that already. No sign of her. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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19 Apr 2022 09:12 |
.? 1921 census as a domestic servant
name(s) Iris Margaret Institution description St Mary's Home, House For Penitents, Wantage Last name Allen Parish Wantage Sex Female Registration district Wantage Birth year 1902 Registration district number 118 Census date 19 June 1921 Sub-district Wantage Age in years 19 Sub-district number 1 Age in months 1 Enumeration district number 15 Age as transcribed 19 y 1 m County Berkshire Relationship to head Inmate Country England Marital status Single Borough, urban or rural district Wantage UD Birth place Hampshire, England Parliamentary borough or division Berkshire PC, Abingdon Div. Birth county Hampshire Archive The National Archives Birth country England Archive series RG 15 Transcribed birth place Brackley , NortHampshire >>>>>>>> Piece number 05923 Nationality English Page 11 Occupation Laundry & Domestic Service Schedule type code III Occupation code 900 Schedule type Institution, multiple page, 70+ entries Occupation code with suffix 900/7 District reference RD 118 RS 1 ED 14, 15 Employer code 760 Other household member's first name(s) - Place of work At Institution Other household member's last name - Language used to complete form English Record set 1921 Census Of England & Wales Person making return Louisa Frances Erskine Sister Superior Category Census, land & surveys House name St Marys Home Subcategory Census Street House For Penitents Collections from Great Britain, England Address St Marys Home House For Penitents
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ArgyllGran
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19 Apr 2022 10:02 |
Thanks, Shirley.
That's the woman I mentioned in 1921, so I'm grateful for the full transcription. The somewhat mangled POB seems to confirm that she's "my" Iris.
Although she's listed as a "laundry and domestic service" employee , she's also an "inmate". This fits with info about St Mary's Home for Penitents, which was for "fallen" women. They were expected to stay there for two years, and were "occupied in laundry work and needlework." http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/WantageStMary/
So I assume she had had an illegitimate child. Maybe she wasn't penitent enough and had two.
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ALLEN, CYRIL JAMES - GRO Reference: 1921 J Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 592
ALLEN, GLADYS JOAN - GRO Reference: 1922 S Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 549
As a pure guess, I imagine she wasn't a nurse in 1929-31, but more likely a domestic employee at Battle Hospital
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19 Apr 2022 10:20 |
Another ???
ALLEN, CHARLES PETER - GRO Reference: 1923 D Quarter in WANTAGE Volume 02C Page 511 Occasional Copy: A
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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19 Apr 2022 10:31 |
I wonder !
Name: Cyril J Allen Death Age: 35 Birth Date: abt 1922 Registration Date: Apr 1957 [May 1957] [Jun 1957] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration District: Newbury Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 6a Page: 45
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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19 Apr 2022 10:33 |
Still in wantage
Beedon Hill, Wantage, Wantage R.D., Berkshire, England First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number Cyril J Allen 29 May 1921 Male Coal Merchants Labou Single 53 1 Henry Read 23 Feb 1868 Male Gardener Retired Single 53 2 Albert Becket 09 Feb 1883 Male - Single 53 3
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ArgyllGran
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19 Apr 2022 11:12 |
Sadly, no, that 1939 from FMP is mistranscribed.
That Cyril J is in the household above that of Henry and Albert:
Cecil J Allen [ Cyril J Allen on image ] in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Cecil J Allen [Cyril J Allen] Gender: Male Marital Status: Single Birth Date: 29 May 1921 Residence Date: 1939 Address: Beedor Hill Residence Place: Wantage, Berkshire, England Occupation: Coal Merchant Labor?? Line Number: 25 Schedule Number: 52 Sub Schedule Number: 4 Enumeration District: Durd Borough: Wantage Registration district: 118/2 Inferred Father: James Allen Inferred Mother: Sarah Allen Household Members Age James Allen 76 Sarah Allen 74 Annie Allen 37 - single Cecil J Allen 18
And if Annie is his mother, then that accounts for the 1921 birth - illegitimate, but not a child of Iris.
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ArgyllGran
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19 Apr 2022 12:08 |
If Iris was indeed an "inmate" of the home in 1921, she must have either had her child in 1919-21, or else at least have been pregnant by 19th June, the census date.
Gladys's birth therefore looks too late to be the reason for Iris being in the home - but doesn't necessarily rule her out as being a later child of Iris.
I don't see any Allen/Allen birth in Wantage in 1919-21 (other than Cyril).
Maybe Iris wasn't actually an inmate in 1921, but only working and living there.
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alviegal
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19 Apr 2022 13:48 |
No help in finding her later on AG but this seems to be her in 1920.
Bound Over. Iris Margaret May Allen (17) of Wendover, who was remanded at the last Court for offences under the Vagrancy Act, was again brought before the Magistrates. Defendant stated that she was willing to be sent to a home and Mrs Blanche Moline of the Oxford Diocesan Prevention and Rescue Mission, intimated that she would undertake responsibility in that direction. Defendant was therefore bound over in the sum of £10, and placed under the supervision of Miss Moline for two years.
22 May 1920 - Bucks Herald - Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
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19 Apr 2022 14:00 |
According to Wiki Battle hospital had previously had a ‘vagrants’ ward. I wonder whether one was still in operation.
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alviegal
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19 Apr 2022 14:00 |
Vagrancy. -Iris Margaret May Allen, a young girl, was charged with offences under the Vagrancy Act, and after evidence had been given by Acting P.S. Taylor of Wendover, defendant was remanded for a week to enable arrangements for her welfare to be made. The girl's mother said that although well brought up, defendant got out of hand, and it was feared that if she were bound over and taken home she would not remain there. Supt. Wooton described the case as very painful and attributed the girl's downfall to insufficient arrangements having been made to safeguard her interests when she was dismissed from a situation as domestic servant. Before her arrest on the present charge, she had been cautioned by the police.
15 May 1920 - Bucks Herald - Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
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ArgyllGran
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19 Apr 2022 14:29 |
Great find, Alviegal! Thank you!
Maybe after 1931 she returned to vagrancy and dropped off the official radar. Very sad.
General info here about vagrancy after 1930:
https://www.workhouses.org.uk/vagrants/#Post-1930
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alviegal
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19 Apr 2022 14:47 |
What a truly horrifying read Argyll ... those poor, poor people, I really hope Iris managed to sort herself out and get out of that toxic way of life.
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alviegal
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19 Apr 2022 14:56 |
Quote from https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=834939.0 when I looked for 344 Oxford Rd.
London Road Cemetery has been closed to burials for a long time now. The records of the burials are at Reading Crematorium. They will search the burial registers for a fee.
https://www.reading.gov.uk/article/11255/Burial-and-cremation-register-searches
There are a lot of burials with no grave marker. Our relatives were somewhere in an open grassy area with lots of others.
This seems to be where deaths from the workhouse ended up.
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ArgyllGran
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19 Apr 2022 17:10 |
Thanks for that, Alviegal.
I'll think about contacting them - though she could have ended up anywhere, poor girl.
ADDED: Up-to-date link, just in case it's of use to anyone else:
https://www.reading.gov.uk/life-events/deaths/crematorium-and-cemeteries/funeral-services/burials/burial-and-cremation-register-searches/
Unfortunately, they want to know the year of death.
There's no obvious death record. Perhaps she's one of the "Unknown Unknown" deaths registered.
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ArgyllGran
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19 Apr 2022 19:18 |
Looking at some of the other women listed with Iris at 344 Oxford Road in 1931 -
Lena [Helena] Victoria Macbeth was registered as a midwife at Battle Infirmary in 1928. Reca Conny Ford was registered as a nurse in 1931, having trained at Battle Infirmary 1928-31. Gladys Devonald was a nurse at various hospitals in Wales in the 1940s. Edith Sarah Frankum was at 344 from 1922 until at least 1939 - she's Matron of Battle Hospital in 1939. Lesley Bangham was a nursing sister when she went to Kenya in 1946. Sarah Lilian Bevan was registered as a nurse in 1932, having trained at Battle Hospital 1929-32. Emily Booth Slack was there from 1922 until at least 1937, having registered as a midwife in 1905, and as a nurse in 1923. Ivy Constance Lewis was registered as a nurse in 1933, having trained at Battle Hospital 1929-32. Nora Ellen Batts was registered as a nurse in 1934, having trained at Battle Hospital 1930-33.
and so on . . . .
So Iris does seem to have been in a nurses' home, presumably training as a nurse.
However, there's no sign of her on the nursing register, as already said, so it looks as if she didn't finish her training.
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ErikaH
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21 Apr 2022 10:03 |
An address search for 344 Oxford Road in 1939 produces only 344a as a result
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ArgyllGran
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21 Apr 2022 10:23 |
In 1939 the hospital is listed as Battle Hospital, with no address given, and is in a separate part of the census records, containing only hospitals and other institutions, so not listed with other addresses on Oxford Road:
Edith S Frankum in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Edith S Frankum Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Birth Date: 23 Dec 1878 Residence Date: 1939 Address: Battle Hospital Residence Place: Reading, Berkshire, England Occupation: Matron (Hospital) Line Number: 25 Schedule Number: 5 Sub Schedule Number: 3 OVSPI: Officer Enumeration District: Dsbq Borough: Reading Registration district: Special Household Members Age David C Thomas 40 David F Rees 26 Edith S Frankum 61 Dorothy E Brace 35 Ivy Winifred Morris 33 Rosalind M Archer 37 Edith A Richards 34 Catherine McCarthy 33 Ida Cox 81 Dores O Waight 25 (and many others)
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