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17 Apr 2022 10:29 |
Roy, it might be better for you to give us information of ancestors ( not living) that you know are correct to your search, then we can work backwards to find out which John Chubb is your ancestor :-)
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17 Apr 2022 11:03 |
Roy
PLEASE don't respond individually - that way lies chaos. Especially if anyone 'helping' fails to share the fact with others doing the same
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17 Apr 2022 11:23 |
Londonbelle...............................
Marriages Sep 1923 (>99%) Chubb Laurel M Oliver E.Stonehouse 5b 733 Oliver Sydney R Chubb E.Stonehouse 5b 733
1939 Register 29 Sunny Dene, Plymouth, Plymouth C.B., Devon, England Sydney R Oliver 03 Nov 1898 Male Pastry Furniture Married 96 1 Lauriel M Weatherdon (Oliver) 05 Jul 1899 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 96 2 John D G Oliver 05 Oct 1924 Male At School Single 96 3
CHUBB, LAUREL MYRTLE HUTTON GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in DEVONPORT Volume 05B Page 290
Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%) CHIDGNY Rose Langford Devonport 5b 629 CHUBB John Devonport 5b 629
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Rose Langford Chubb Wife Married Female 27 1884 - Swansea Wales Laurel Myrtte Chubb Daughter - Female 11 1900 At school Devonport Devon Lilian Violet Chubb Daughter - Female 9 1902 - Devonport Devon Winifred Mabel Chubb Daughter - Female 7 1904 - Devonport Devon George Chidgey Boarder Widower Male 58 1853 General worjs department Taunton Devon James McCarthy Boarder Single Male 27 1884 A b Mulmore Hiltown County Devon
CHUBB, LILIAN VIOLET HUTTON GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in DEVONPORT Volume 05B Page 276
First name(s) Laurel Myrtha County Devon Last name Chubb Country England Birth year 1899 Event type Baptism registers Birth date 05 Jul 1899 Archive ref 737/1 Baptism year 1899 Page 136 Baptism date 20 Jul 1899 Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office Father's first name(s) John Record set Devon Baptisms Mother's first name(s) Laura Caroline******************************************
Marriages Mar 1894 (>99%) Chubb John E. Stonehouse 5b 494 Hutton Laura Caroline E. Stonehouse 5b 494 Father's first name(s) Richard*************************Naval Pensioner (DECEASED) Laura's father: John Hutton, Naval Pensioner John Chubb AB, aged 23 on 17th February 1894
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census 10, Corry Street, Devonport, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England
John Chubb Head Married Male 27 1874 Naval police Devonport, Devon, England Laura Chubb Wife Married Female 31 1870 - Devonport, Devon, England Myrtle L Chubb Daughter - Female 1 1900 - Devonport, Devon, England Lilian Chubb Daughter - Female 0 1901 - Devonport, Devon, England Caroline Smith Attendens Married Female 23 1878 Monthly nurse Calstock, Cornwall, England
?????????????????1881......................but Richard is his GRANDfather Richard Chubb Head Married Male 60 1821 Pensioner dockyard Tamerton Foliot, Devon, England Ann Chubb Wife Married Female 63 1818 - Eggbuckland, Devon, England John Chubb Son Single Male 14 1867 Grocers assistant Plymouth, Devon, England Catherine Chubb Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Dressmaker Plymouth, Devon, England John Chubb Grand son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Plymouth, Devon, England Robert Chubb Grand son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Plymouth, Devon, England Alfred Chubb Grand son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar United States
Name: Alfred Chubb Gender: Male Birth Place: Marquette, Marquette, Michigan Birth Date: 19 Jul 1876 Father's Name: Robert Chubb Mother's Name: Jane Chubb FHL Film Number: 1007531
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Trafalgar Place, Plymouth, Devon, England Richard Chubb Head Widower Male 70 1821 Retired leading man Devon, England Alfred Chubb Grandson - Male 14 1877 Errand boy United States
?? Marriages Mar 1868 (>99%) CHUBB Robert Plymouth 5b 384 Clemence Jane Ann Plymouth 5b 384
CHUBB, ROBERT CLEMENTS GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 292
CHUBB, JOHN CLEMENTS GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 277
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17 Apr 2022 14:46 |
1911 Census for Alfred shows he was born in Marquette, Michigan Name: Alfred Chubb Age in 1911: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Marquette, Michigan, United States of America Civil Parish: Plymouth Search Photos: Search for 'Plymouth' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Country: England Street Address: 56 Grenville Road, Plymouth Marital status: Married Occupation: Assistant Grocer Registration District Number: 276 Sub-registration District: Plymouth South East ED, institution, or vessel: 06 Piece: 12964 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Chubb 34 Matilda Jane Chubb 36 Gladys Winnifred Chubb 9
Also Alfred's Marriage to Matilda Jane Horsham on 12 May 1900 gives his Father as Robert Chubb...image on FMP. Alfred is aged 23, a Grocer and gives his address as 1 Trafalgar Place , Plymouth the same as that in the 1891 Census, his grandfather Richard's address.
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17 Apr 2022 15:14 |
The details of Robert Chubb"s marriage to Jane Ann Clemence are (Image on FMP)
First name(s) Robert Last name Chubb Age Full Age Occupation Labourer Address 7 Exeter Street Year 1868 Marriage date 25 Mar 1868 Place Plymouth, Charles the Martyr Denomination Anglican Spouse's first name(s) Jane Ann Spouse's last name Clemence Father's first name(s) Richard Father's last name Chubb Occupation Labourer Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas Spouse's father's last name Clemence County Devon
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17 Apr 2022 15:45 |
First name(s) Robert Last name Chubb Baptism date 18 Aug 1844 Father's first name(s) Richard Mother's first name(s) Ann Place Eggbuckland
First name(s) Richard Last name Chubb Marriage date 07 Nov 1840 Spouse's first name(s) Ann Spouse's last name Brown Place Stoke Damerel
His father: Richard, Labourer Her father: John, Labourer
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17 Apr 2022 16:03 |
Richard in 1841 Census with wife Ann
Name: Richard Chubb Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Where Born: Devon, England Civil Parish: Egg Buckland Hundred: Roborough County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Plympton St Mary Sub-registration District: Plympton Neighbors: Piece: 240 Book: 16 Folio: 10 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Richard Chubb 20 Ann Chubb 20 William Chubb 3 Mo
Next door could be Parents Richard & Ann?
Name: Richard Chubb Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Gender: Male Where Born: Devon, England Civil Parish: Egg Buckland Hundred: Roborough County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Plympton St Mary Sub-registration District: Plympton Neighbors: Piece: 240 Book: 16 Folio: 10 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Richard Chubb 50 Ann Chubb 50 William Chubb 20 Robert Chubb 15 Stephan Chubb 10 Thomas Chubb 5
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17 Apr 2022 16:05 |
1939
Name: John Chubb Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 22 Apr 1873 Residence Date: 1939 Address: 38 St Vincent St Residence Place: Plymouth, Devon, England Occupation: Retiree Line Number: 44 Schedule Number: 205 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: Weum Borough: Plymouth Registration district: 276/3 Household Members Age John Chubb 66 Rose L Chubb 46 Gladys L B Smith 17
Name: John Chubb Death Date: 29 Sep 1956 Death Place: Plymouth Probate Date: 18 Oct 1956 Probate Registry: Exeter Probate granted to Gladys Betty Laura Smith - spinster Effects £817 10s
Births Mar 1922 (>99%) Smith Gladys B L Smith E.Stonehouse 5b 449
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17 Apr 2022 16:28 |
I'm just wondering if the Father of John and Richard are the same person. Now I haven't checked this out but if Jane Chubb nee Dadd the mother of John Chubb died in 1813 as per the Tree that Maddie has found on Ancestry could Richard Chubb have remarried? There is a marriage for Richard Chubb to Ann Coss on 11 Jul 1816 at East Stonehouse sadly there is only the transcript so not much information. If the above is correct Richard Chubb and his first wife Jane Dadd are the parents of John and Richard Chubb and his second wife Ann Coss are the parents of Richard
So that would make John & Richard half brothers
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ErikaH
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17 Apr 2022 16:31 |
No parental info on pre-1837 marriage records.
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17 Apr 2022 16:34 |
Death of Jane? irst name(s) Jane Burial place Bickleigh (Near Plymouth) Last name Chubb Abode Tamerton Foliot County Devon Age 31 Country England Birth year 1782 Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office Death year 1813 Record set Devon Burials Burial year 1813 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Burial date 17 Nov 1813 Subcategory Parish Burials Denomination Anglican
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17 Apr 2022 16:35 |
I was hoping that it might say if Richard was a Widower and perhaps if the Witnesses might help
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17 Apr 2022 16:54 |
I've found the image on FamilySearch but doesn't state marital status for Richard Name Richard Chubb Labourer Sex Male Spouse's Name Ann Coss Spinster Spouse's Sex Female Spouse's Marital Status Single Marriage Date 11 Jul 1816 Marriage Place East Stonehouse, Devon, England Witnesses Mary Coss & Frances Chubb (could be Francis)
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ErikaH
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17 Apr 2022 17:51 |
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Knackers Knowle, Egg Buckland, Plympton St Mary, Devon, England
Richard Chubb Head Married Male 30 1821 Farm labourer Devon, England Anne Chubb Wife Married Female 33 1818 - Devon, England Henry Chubb Son - Male 9 1842 Day school Egg Buckland, Devon, England Robert Chubb Son - Male 7 1844 Day school Egg Buckland, Devon, England John Chubb Son - Male 5 1846 - Egg Buckland, Devon, England George Chubb Son - Male 1 1850 - Egg Buckland, Devon, England John Brown Father-in-law Wr Male 68 1783 Pauper shoe maker Devon, England
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LondonBelle
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17 Apr 2022 18:26 |
Burial of Richard Chubb senior, father of John & Richard?
First name(s) Richard Country England Last name Chubb Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office Birth year 1786 Archive reference 476/7 Burial year 1850 Archive event Burial registers Age 64 Page 98 Burial date 19 May 1850 Abode Knackers Knowle ------------- Record set Devon Burials Denomination Anglican Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Place Tamerton Foliot Subcategory Parish Burials County Devon
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ErikaH
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19 Apr 2022 10:47 |
Any comments, Roy?????
Please respond ON THE THREAD. Thank you
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20 Apr 2022 04:42 |
Hi LondonBelle, I do not believe this is the correct John Chubb, wrong DOB and wrong parents. Thanks anyway Roy
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20 Apr 2022 05:57 |
Hi Erikah, I am totally confused about the possible second marriage of Richard to Anne. The time would be correct but this is the first I have heard about it and I am a little wary about documenting this marriage until I have more concreate proof Roy
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20 Apr 2022 10:50 |
Roy
All anyone on here can do is provide info 'as found' It's up to you to evaluate it and do your own further IN-DEPTH research into what is, after all, YOUR family.
And remember to work BACKWARDS.........................
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LondonBelle
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20 Apr 2022 17:23 |
A couple of Articles relating to John Chubb which could be the person you are looking for?
Article in the Tavistock Express, 15 May 1863 FATAL ACCIDENT IN DEVONPORT DOCKYARD
A fatal accident took place in Devonport Dockyard , on Monday afternoon, whereby Mr John Chubb, leading-man of labourers, was crushed to death and two labourers badly injured. The accident took place as one of the piles of balks of timber stacked near the millwright's shop. At about three o'clock a gang of labourers were there employed, under Mr Chubb's superintendence, in lowering some of the balks of enormous weight, that was the outer balk in front of the pile, on the uppermost layer. Their plan appears to have been to pass the bights of rope round th balk to be lowered, while the standing part of these ropes was secured to the last balk on the inner side on the same tier, and other ends of the ropes used by the men to lower by. The descending balk being thus allowed to roll over in its descent. The inner balk to which the ropes were secured was, it appears, a very light one in comparison with the one being lowered, and directly the weight of the latter was brought to bear on the ropes on its slipping off the edge of the pile, the inner balk was torn out from its place in the tier, and along with the heavier balk thrown on the pavement with fearful violence. Mr Chubb was standing on the pile at the time, and was swept off by the started balk. He fell on his face on the granite pavement, and in that position the balk fell on his head and upper part of his body, crushing him flat, and causing him instantaneous death. Two of the labourers were also badly injured by the accident, but in the confusion of the moment the cause was hardly known. Some upright pieces of timber are said to haven been placed between the balk to guard against such an accident, but on the balk starting they proved totally ineffective, being instantly broken and swept off. Mr Chubb was, it is said, about 50 years of age; he had been employed in his department in the Dockyard for many years, and was considered to be one of the most efficient persons there for managing this kind of work. He leaves a widow and a large family, among whom is a widowed daughter, dependent upon him. As some alleviation to their misfortune, it is, however, expected that the widow will receive one half of the pension the deceased would have been entitled to. The body was taken to the engine-room, near the surgery, to await a coroner's inquest.
(Another later article states that John Chubb's widow was awarded £10 per annum pension)
The following article was in The Western Daily Mercury on 13 May 1863
FATAL ACCIDENT AT THE DEVONPORT DOCKYARD
An Inquest was held at the Town Hall, Devonport, yesterday afternoon, before Allan R Bone, Esq., coroner touching the death of John Chubb, who was killed at the Dockyard on Monday afternoon. under the following circumstances:-A gang of labourers, acting under the superintendence of the deceased, were employed on a pile of balks of timber. They were endeavouring to lower a very large balk which was tied by roe, four men being on the top of the pile for that purpose. In order to have sufficient control over the piece of timber, which was two tons in weight, the other ends of the rope were tied round another piece of timber on the top of the pile;but that piece not being much more that half the weight of piece being lowered, the larger piece dragged the smaller one after it. Mr Chubb, who was standing on the pile, was thrown violently to the ground, and, the plank falling on his head and body, he was killed instantly. Two other men, who were also standing on the pile, were more or less injured. After hearing the evidence, the jury returned a verdict of Accidental Death. During the examination of one of the witnesses, a juryman fell asleep, and was apparently unconcerned to all that was going on around him. The Coroner said he was very sorry to disturb him in his nap, but his reason for so doing was tat he (the juryman) had taken an oath to give a true verdict to the case before him, and it was impossible for him to give the requisite amount of attention while he was asleep. He (the Coroner) also reminded him that he was liable to a very heavy penalty, and then discharged him from the jury. Yesterday afternoon the deceased man, Chubb, was carried to his late residence, Navy Row, by a number of men who have been accustomed to work with him. The coffin, which was made in the Yard, was covered with a Union Jack. The melancholy accident has cast a gloom over the Yard, in which the deceased was greatly respected.
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