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Charles Birney Carrothers and Maria Anna Knox

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Deborah

Deborah Report 2 Mar 2022 11:07

I have found an entry of marriage for Charles and Maria in 1842 on FMP, Public record of Ireland, Marriage Licence Bonds, Diocese of Down, Connor and Dromore. It just gives their names and the year, 1842.

My Cousin and I are trying to find out who Charles Parents are, Charles is a very distant cousin of ours.

We were hoping to find out a little bit more about the marriage, IE the date, and also hoping that any other records we could find may also show his Fathers name, but this is all we have been able to find.

Any help or advise as to how to gain further information would be really appreciated

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Mar 2022 11:11

Have you tried family search site

Deborah

Deborah Report 2 Mar 2022 11:14

I always forget about that site, will have a look, thank you.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Mar 2022 11:16

He may not have been Irish by birth

Carrothers
Charles B.


1832
Scotland, Edinburgh Gazette 1797-2018
Scotland

28th March
Lieutenant Charles B Carrothers to be made Captain, without purchase

Deborah

Deborah Report 2 Mar 2022 11:22

That would make sense ErikaH because a lot of our Ancestors were Ulster Scots.

Same image as the one I have on Family Search.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Mar 2022 11:22

From a post on Ancestry

Name
Charles Birney Carrothers
Birth
1792
Death
01 Mar 1852 Randalstown, Antrim, Northern Ireland
Attached to a photo of a Church in Belfast
Posted to the site on 31st December 2021

Maria Anna Knox is recorded on the tree as follows..........B1810 Greenwood Park, Crosmolina, County Mayo, Ireland
- but no death info
Four children listed - no parental info for either Charles or Maria

Deborah

Deborah Report 2 Mar 2022 11:30

Is there any way we could obtain a copy of the marriage certificate?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Mar 2022 11:37

Only what comes up

ViewIreland, Indexes to Wills, Probate Administration, Marriage Bonds and Licences, 1591-1866
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DetailSource
Name: Maria Anna Knox
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 1842
Marriage Place: Eire, Ireland
Diocese: Down, Connor & Dromore
Spouse:
Charles Birney Carrothers

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Mar 2022 11:42

There won't be a marriage cert - pre-dates Civil registration

What you have is all there will be

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Mar 2022 11:45

DetailSource
Name: Mary Ann Carrothers
Death Date: 27 Nov 1895
Cemetery: Belfast City Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Belfast, County Antrim, Northern Ireland
Has Bio?: N
URL:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/178536281/mary-ann-carrothers

Deborah

Deborah Report 2 Mar 2022 11:45

Ok, thanks ErikaH, I appreciate your help.

Deborah

Deborah Report 2 Mar 2022 11:48

Thank you Shirley, that's where most of my Irish Ancestors are buried.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Mar 2022 11:48

The death posted above was of a 20-year-old

Deborah

Deborah Report 2 Mar 2022 11:51

Yes.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Mar 2022 12:08

Name: Charles Augustus Carrothers
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 24
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1848
Marriage Date: 18 Feb 1872
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Jude, Lancashire, England
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Father:
Charles Bernie Carrothers
Spouse:
Mary Jane Williams

Fathers occ soldier

Deborah

Deborah Report 2 Mar 2022 12:12

That's an interesting find Shirley, we do know that a lot of them moved to Liverpool.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Mar 2022 12:16

Not born in Scotland, (at least no baptism record on SP)

From a tree on Ancestry, re DOB:

"An estimate based on his first commission as an ensign in 1808. After 1795, the minimum age requirement to join the Army was 16."

The tree (owner Edward Knighton; tree name "C B Carrothers Tree") seems to have quite a bit of info about his time as a soldier.

Lots of proof attached - interestingly, the tree says he was in France in 1813, Belgium in 1815 (during the Peninsular campaigns, per his death notice in the Belfast Newsletter of 3 March 1852) , and Limerick in 1833 when he retired.

But nothing about his parents.


Deborah

Deborah Report 2 Mar 2022 12:19

I will have a look at that, thank you ArgyllGran.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Mar 2022 12:32


1891 census
Name: Charles A Carruthers
Gender: Male
Age: 42
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1849
Spouse:
Mary J Carruthers
Child:
John H Carruthers
William A Carruthers
Mary J Carruthers
George F Carruthers
Birth Place: Belfast >>>>>>>>
Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Stanley St Ann
Residence Place: West Derby, Lancashire, England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: West Derby (Rural)
ED, Institution or Vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2999
Folio: 134
Household Members Age Relationship
Charles A Carruthers 42 Head
Mary J Carruthers
37 Wife
John H Carruthers
13 Son
William A Carruthers
10 Son
Mary J Carruthers
7 Daughter
George F Carruthers
4 Son
Sarah Williams
62 Mother-in-law




Carrothers
in the Belfast, Northern Ireland, The Belfast Newsletter (Birth, Marriage and Death Notices), 1738-1925
Name: Carrothers
Gender: Male
Notice Type: Birth
Birth Date: 3 May 1847
Birth Place: Belfast, Northern Ireland
Father:
Captain Carrothers
Mother:
Carrothers
Publication Date: 4 May 1847
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Mar 2022 12:47

1871 census
Name: Maria Anne Carruthers
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: 1809
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Mayo Ireland
Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 160
Piece: 3783
Folio: 154
Page number: 35
Household Members Age Relationship
Maria Anne Carruthers 62 Head annuitant
C A Carruthers
25 Son
A W Carruthers
23 Son


1881 in workhouse

Name: Maria Carruthers
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relationship to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where Born: Coy Mayo, Ireland
Civil Parish: Walton on Hill
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: "West Derby Workhouse" Rice St
Marital status: Widow
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: No Occupation
Registration District: West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: Westerby Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3694
Folio: 39
Page Number: 19
Household Members: