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Annabel
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26 Jan 2022 04:19 |
Trying to trace the parents of Catherine Brush born 1827 Gibraltar, married George Stevens 1845.her father Samuel Brush a witness Ann Brush
In the 1851 Catherine married surname Hunt a daughter her son Richard Stevens grandson , the census page is all mixed , there is a Richard Hunt with his wife Mary.
Have being trying to sort it out for a few years but getting nowhere , a fresh pair of eyes thankyou. Ann
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Jan 2022 08:22 |
Why would Catherine be Hunt on the 1851 census ?
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Jan 2022 08:25 |
This looks like a son
STEVENS, GEORGE BRUSH GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in SAINT LUKE, MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 583
Get the cert for it’s details
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Jan 2022 08:29 |
And another birth so they were still together
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: STEVENS, MARIA BRUSH GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 66
Name: Maria Stevens Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 15 Jul 1860 Baptism Place: St Nicholas, Deptford, Greenwich, England Father: George Stevens Mother: Catherine Stevens Register Type: Parish Register
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Jan 2022 08:38 |
Name: Catharine Brush Gender: Female Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 8 Dec 1845 Marriage Place: St Giles Without Cripplegate, City of London, England Father: Samuel Brush Spouse: George Stevens Register Type: Parish Register
So father was a tailor
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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26 Jan 2022 08:47 |
Where do you get she was born Gibraltar?
1851 census Name: Catherine Stevens Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Stevens Gender: Female Where Born: St Giles, London, England Civil Parish: Brighton Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Brighton Sub-registration District: Kemp Town ED, institution, or vessel: 1k Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 45 Piece: 1644 Folio: 215 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age George Stevens 45 occ hawker of silk goods Catherine Stevens 28
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jan 2022 09:48 |
From Ancestry - this is the 1851 record Annabel mentions - but this is clearly not the same woman who married George Stevens.
Catherine S Hunt in the 1851 England Census Name: Catherine S Hunt [Catherine S Thomas] - [NO - nothing to do with the Thomases] Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Thomas - [NO, nothing to do with the Thomases.] Mother's Name: Mary Thomas - [ NO ] Gender: Female Where Born: British Subject, Gibraltar Civil Parish: St Luke Old Street Ecclesiastical parish: Charterhouse St Thomas Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: St Luke Sub-registration District: Whitecross Street ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 41 Piece: 1522 Folio: 293 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Thomas 42 - THE THOMASES ARE ALL SCORED OUT Adolphus Thomas 13 John Thomas 11 Thomas Thomas 8 Catherine S Hunt 24 - daughter , married - shoe binder Richard Stevens 2 - grandson, Middlesex, St Lukes
The Thomases have been scored out on the image, with "NIL" written across them. In any case, they were just one of several households at the same address - 104 Golden Lane.
Catherine and Richard are actually part of this household:
Richard Hunt in the 1851 England Census Name: Richard Hunt Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Hunt Gender: Male Where Born: East Grinstead, Essex, England Civil Parish: St Luke Old Street Ecclesiastical parish: Charterhouse St Thomas Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: St Luke Sub-registration District: Whitecross Street ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 41 Piece: 1522 Folio: 293 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Richard Hunt 56 - labourer in iron foundry Mary Hunt 54 - Galway, Ireland
Even forgetting the Thomases, it doesn't make sense. If that Catherine is the daughter of Richard and Mary, then she can't be married - unless the enumerator got mixed up with the surnames.
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jan 2022 10:29 |
Perhaps Annabel's working back from this census:
Catharine Stevens in the 1861 England Census Name: Catharine Stevens Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: 1827 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George Stevens Gender: Female Where Born: Gloucestershire, England [Gibraltar] <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Gibraltar on image Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Deptford County/Island: Kent Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Greenwich Sub-registration District: St Paul Deptford ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 162 Piece: 395 Folio: 62 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age George Stevens 37 Catharine Stevens 34 - boot binder Richard Stevens 12 - St Luke, Middlesex Joseph Stevens 10 George Stevens 6 Maria Stevens 4
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jan 2022 10:30 |
Catharine Stevens in the 1871 England Census Name: Catharine Stevens Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: 1827 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Gilralter <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Civil parish: Chelsea Ecclesiastical parish: Park Chapel County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Chelsea Sub-registration district: Chelsea, South ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 166 Piece: 73 Folio: 49 Page number: 26 Household Members Age Relationship George Stevens 47 Head Catharine Stevens 44 Wife George Stevens 16 Son John Stevens 2 Son
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2022 11:04 |
Note spelling of forename, which is NOT as per OP
Name George Stevens Sex Male Spouse's Name Catharine Brush Spouse's Sex Female Marriage Date 8 Dec 1845 Marriage Place St Giles without Cripplegate, London, England, United Kingdom
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Annabel
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26 Jan 2022 11:08 |
Thank you all for your interest
, have the census for Catherine all say Gibraltar apart from one, also birth cert for George Stevens born 1855 mother Catherine Stevens nee Brush, also marriage cert to George Stevens. can not find a birth Richard Stevens born St Lukes 1849
Have looked up other Catherine Brush's but ruled them out, try as I might can not find a link to Richard and Mary Hunt
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2022 11:12 |
FMP's 1851, which is a somewhat more accurate transcription than Ancestry's shambles
Golden Lane, Saint Lukes, St Luke, London & Middlesex, England Richard Hunt Head Married Male 56 1795 Labourer in iron foundry East Grinstead, Sussex, England Mary Hunt Wife Married Female 54 1797 Labourer wife Galway, Ireland Catharine S Hunt Daughter Married Female 24 1827 Shoe binder Gibraltar Richard Stevens Grand son - Male 2 1849 Home St Luke's, Middlesex, England
There is no birth for Richard Stevens on the GRO with either MMN Brush OR Hunt
Ditto Joseph who is on 1861 census
What was her address when she married?
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jan 2022 11:44 |
STEPHENS, JOSEPH WILLIAM mmn BRUSH GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in SAINT LUKE, MIDDLESEX Volume 02 Page 268
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2022 11:45 |
Oops......missed that one. Thanks, AG
Which leads me to
STEPHENS, RICHARD RUSH GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in SAINT LUKE, MIDDLESEX Volume 02 Page 294
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ErikaH
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26 Jan 2022 11:47 |
I think the Hunts are a complete red herring. I would suggest that the enumerator made a mess of copying to the record sheets
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jan 2022 11:50 |
Yes, I'd come to that conclusion, too.
In which case, we don't know how many other mistakes he made.
If Catherine's surname should be Stevens in 1851, was George not with her and Richard - or did the enumerator just miss him out by mistake?
Her supposed middle initial S is probably also a mistake.
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George was with his parents in 1851:
George Stevens in the 1851 England Census Name: George Stevens Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Stevens Mother's Name: Maryte Stevens Gender: Male Where Born: Grate Missenden, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Islington Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Islington Sub-registration District: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 17 Piece: 1499 Folio: 251 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age John Stevens 62 Maryte Stevens 52 [ Mary on image, I think ] George Stevens 27 - married, son, turner Joseph Stevens 13 - son, single
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26 Jan 2022 12:21 |
The image of 1851 census written is ---See Page 1.against the Thomas name.,,,
Ann Smith is a witness to the 1845 marriahe,not Ann Brush.
No address is given for Catharine on the marriage,,,,,which was after 3 sundays of Banns,,,,,,,her age is given as,,,,,,Under.------ George is Full..
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