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Springfield House is on maps as far back as 1881:

https://maps.nls.uk/view/101597063

and is specifically named in 1861 census and onwards (though not named in 1871).


Oaken Lodge is named specifically in 1871 and later.
In 1871 there are three unmarried sisters (all governesses), two pupils, and a servant living there.

Earlier I mentioned Richard M Shelton as living in Springfield House in 1911.
In 1871 he's at an unnamed house (aged 7 months) with other members of his family. That house is two houses after Oaken Lodge on the enumerator's list
- there's a gardener's cottage in between them.

I assume the unnamed house is Springfield House It seems odd that it's not named, but Oaken Lodge is - if Oaken Lodge was the lodge for Springfield House.

In 1871, as well as Oaken Lodge, there's another house called The Lodge.

1881 and onwards, the Sheltons are at Springfield House (named). Oaken Lodge isn't named in 1881.

In 1891, there's Springfield House (the Sheltons) , then Springfield Lodge (a gardener) , and then Oaken Lodge (Samuel Cutter, glass merchant and large family).
So Oaken Lodge (a very large house in itself) was not the lodge for Springfield House.

1901 - Samuel Cutter's still at Oaken Lodge, and the Sheltons are still at Springfield House - Oaken Lodge at the beginning of the enumerator's route, and Springfield House near the end.

1911 - as already said, the Manbys are at Oaken Lodge, at the start of the route;
The Sheltons are still at Springfield House, which, again, is near the end of the route.

The enumerators seems to take a more-or-less circular route around the village, so Oaken Lodge and Springfield House do seem to be one or two houses apart.

"The Lodge" isn't named after 1871.

ADDED:
Just an interesting thing I've noticed (nothing to do with Oaken court) - on the 1851 census there's an address "Lord Wrottesley's Observatory", where Richard Philpott, 25, Astronomical Observer, lived (also Benjamin Cradock, 19, assistant gardener).

About Lord Wrottesley:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wrottesley,_2nd_Baron_Wrottesley

Wrottesley Hall is a little south-west of Oaken. The observatory shows up on old maps

Richard Philpott's work was praised , and a full account given of the construction of the observatory, by Lord Wrottesley, in a paper to the Royal Astronomical Society in 1853:
https://tinyurl.com/2p8njczh
(Page 69)

If you email here they may hold old maps of the area with Oaken Court shown:-

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I'm sure Oaken Court will be within 42 acres of Oaken Lodge as they were sold at the same auction with the cottages and it states that they all stand in 42 acres.

I think there is half a chance that Oaken Court stood where Springfield House Care Home now stands as this was a purpose built care home, so maybe Oaken Court was demolished in order to build it.

Old maps at the library may be able to solve the mystery.

Kath. x

the history group have no details of Oaken Court

www.local-history.co.uk/Groups/staffs.html

This is a link to the local history socities//groups of Staffordshire which will be able to point you where you need to see any maps or more information.about it.

yes, but would still like to see a map with it on, we know it was standing in 1914 & 1919

Ian was any of the names revavent to your interest for Oaken Court....?

thanks all for info

Andysmum -
Unfortunately it's not possible to search for "Oaken Court" specifically on those maps, as far as I can see, so I think the marker you mention just shows roughly the centre of the map area.
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There's no map for 1915. The "Filter by date" facility just lets you indicate the year you want available maps to apply to, and those maps then show up in the results box on the right.

The court-shaped building I mentioned in my last post is three-sided, but I don't think it's relevant to this search.
On the up-to-date background map there is a building with an internal courtyard just beside (south of) Springfield Care Home - formerly Springfield House.
But it's not named. It seems to be part of the Springfield House complex, although it's a separate building, and seems to date from after 1921, unless maps weren't fully updated to show new buildings.

That building's not on this map from 1888, and seems to have been built on the site of a walled garden:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101594536
It's not there in 1921 either, unless the map wasn't fully updated.: https://maps.nls.uk/view/102347363

So, going by the dates, it's not likely to be Oaken Court.

Maybe Charles Webb just thought that "Oaken Court" sounded like a posh name for whatever big house he bought, whether or not it actually had a courtyard..

Oaken Court doesn't appear in the 1939 Register, as well as not in any census.
It's a pity the Staffordshire Advertiser didn't describe it in more detail!

Sorry. It's because I tried to use TinyURL. This is the full lnk, which spoils the look of this page, but works!

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=18&lat=52.62271&lon=-2.21010&layers=102&b=1&z=0&point=52.62286,-2.20979

Not seeing a map for 1915 from that link, Andysmum.

Unfortunately, on Google Maps, the Google camera didn't go all the way along Oaken Drive, so although there's something there which might be a court-shaped building, it's hard to see, and can't go far enough along the road.

According to the OS map for 1915 it is just to the north of Oaken Drive, slightly west of Oaken Terrace Nursing Home. It doesn't have a name, but the search tool put its marker just by the U-shaped building, which is a fairly common shape for a "Court".

I have put the link below - I hope it works for a map!

tinyurl.com/yc2rsuzr

Oaken Manor and Oaken House are both on present-day Oaken Lane.

Oaken LaneS is a different road. Oaken Lodge isn't the house in the photo which shows on Google Maps when you search for the house name.
It's on the other (west) side of Oaken Lanes, and is "The Lodge" on the old map to which I gave the link above.

Don't know what bigger house it was the lodge to - possibly Springfield Manor.
Or perhaps it dates further back than the map, and was originally the lodge to Oaken Manor, or the house called "The Terrace" (latterly a care home).

An older map dated 1888 doesn't give any further clue.


In 1911 the Manby family were at Oaken Lodge, which had 12 rooms.
It's the first house on the Oaken census route.
After it are several smaller houses, and then Greenhills Farm and Heath House, which are to the south of Oaken.
Then the records jump away to Oaken Lawn, off to the west of the village, and then even further west, to Albrighton.
Then back into Oaken, via Oaken Park Farm and Strawmoor Farm, and on to Oaken Lane.
Sarah Walker and staff were at Oaken Manor, which had 12 rooms.
Oaken House had 13 (12?) rooms, and there was only a caretaker in residence - Emily Rebecca York.
The Terrace had 18 rooms - the biggest house in Oaken. Charles Mayall, Master of Foxhounds , and Major in Berks RHA, was there with his wife and several servants.
Next to that there's Springfield, with 11 rooms. Richard Masefield Shelton with wife and servants.
Finally a couple of workmens' houses, presumably connected to Springfield House (Coachman, groom, gardener).

There's a small lodge for Springfield House marked on the map, so The Lodge may not have been connected to any "big house" - especially as it's a very big house itself.

Staffordshire Advertiser, 17th May, 1919.

Thomas J Barnett & Sons are instructed by the trustees of the late Francis Sanders Esq. to submit for sale by auction at the auction mart, 25 Darlington Street, Wolverhampton on Wednesday 21st May 1919:-

"The beautifully situated and compact freehold residential estate occupying an unusually charming and elevated position, 500 ft. above sea level, in the healthy and pretty agricultural parish of Codsall, 5 miles from Wolverhampton and 18 miles from Birmingham, including the commodious family residence known as OAKEN COURT, finely placed in well laid out grounds and gardens, surrounded by a well timbered park."

Also selling at the same auction OAKEN LODGE and Three brick and stone built cottages.

All three lots covering 42 acres of sound land most of which is Old Turf.
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Oaken Lodge is on Oaken Lanes in Codsall so I would imagine that Oaken Court would have been in the same vicinity.

Kath. x

Oaken Court taken from a letter dated July 1914

Oaken Court isn't marked on this map in 1921:

https://maps.nls.uk/view/102347363

Maybe the name had been changed again by that time.
Or as it's a 1921 revision of an older map maybe they didn't bother too much about updating individual house names.

Perhaps an old O/Smap will pinpoint where Oken Court was situated or a Kellys ,a local history centre would be able to help.--as it did exsist as an address...

(C Webb was a joint master of a local hunt.not that its relevant to ian post.)

Interesting!
He's not in Codsall in 1911.
Perhaps he bought a house after 1911, and changed its name to Oaken Court.

There's a George Webb in Oaken from 1881 onwards, but he's a gardener, doesn't live in one of the posh houses, and doesn't have a son named Charles.


As well as the 1915 travel record posted by Alviegal, Charles may also have gone to NY in 1921, 1922,and 1923.
In 1922 and 1923 he's accompanied by his wife Iris Mary (1898).
In 1922 his address is the Savoy Hotel, London.
In 1923 it's the Bath Club, Dover Street, London.


Travelling with Charles Webb:

Iris Mary Dasman Webb
in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Iris Mary Dasman Webb
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Marital status: Married
Age: 25
Birth Date: abt 1898
Birth Place: England
Other Birth Place: Morpeth
Last Known Residence: Cirencester, England
Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 24 Apr 1923
Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA
Final Destination: Toronto, Ont
Years in US: 6 Day
Citizenship Intention: No
Height: 5 Feet, 9 Inches
Hair Colour: Fair
Eye Colour: Brown
Complexion: Fresh
Person in Old Country: N Webb
Person in Old Country Residence: Trimbley, Kidderminster
Person in US: F B Robing
Ship Name: Baltic



Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
DEUCHAR Iris M D Webb St.Martin 1a 1179
WEBB Charles Deuchar St. Martin 1a 1179

DEUCHAR, IRIS MARY DAGMAR mmn ARKLE
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in MORPETH Volume 10B Page 381

Doc Tru.
SITUATIONS VACANT. Uoyits only of Ttitimonials to f>t lent. Advrtistmentt under lead must not contain requeete for tiampe or addreteed
to take charge electric lighting plant; married, and cottage found.—Apply, sending full Darciculars, Charles Webb., Oaken Court. Codsall, near Wolverhampton. /CHAUFFEUR-GARDENER Wanted; married: cx-ooachman preferred.—Address, stating age, experience,
04 September 1915 - Birmingham Daily Post - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

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assessors to the Shourbrldge Board of Guardians, was reported to resterday'e meeting of the Board. Mr. Chariee Webb, of Oaken Court. Codsall. leaver. England today for America and Canada. on the "Lueitania." He experts to be away five or six weeks. A number
17 April 1915 - County Express - Stourbridge, Worcestershire, England
ViewUK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
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Name: Chas Webb
Gender: Male
Departure Age: 36
Birth Date: abt 1879
Departure Date: 17 Apr 1915
Departure Port: England
Ship Name: Lusitania
Shipping Line: Cunard Line
Search Ship Database: Search for the Lusitania in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Destination Port: New York, USA
Master: M T Turner

described as Gent.?--groom?

on return journey 1915 address---Oken Court.

WHEN? And what is your source?

No sign of it in any census 1841 - 1911 - nor on a Google search.

Oaken House, Oaken Lanes, Oaken Lawn, Oaken Manor , Oaken Lodge, Oaken Cottage, Oaken Village , Oaken Terrace, Oaken Park, Oaken Street , Oaken Green - but no Oaken Court.