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I posted brief details of the lives (marriages and deaths) of the various children yesterday at 17:14 - though not all the actual records.

World War 2
Country of imprisonment Thailand
Archive reference WO 345/9
Residence country England
Record set Prisoners Of War 1715-1945
Nationality British
First name(s) Douglas Stanley
Prison camp or ship Thailand - Camp 4
Last name Channell
Document details War Office: Japanese Index Cards of Allied Prisoners of War and Internees, Second World War, 1942-1945
Year 1942
Archive The National Archives
Birth year 1917
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Rank Private
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Residence Isleworth
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Residence county Middlesex


Douglas Stanley
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Last name Channell
Original source Prisoners Of War 1715-1945
Service number 5951353
Record set World War 2 Allies Collection
Rank Private
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Regiment -
Subcategory Second World War
Year 1944
Collections from Americas, Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, UK None
Country Thailand


Douglas S
District Eastbourne
Last name Channell
County Sussex
Gender Male
Volume 5H
Birth day -
Page 258
Birth month -
Country England
Birth year 1917
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Age 47
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death quarter 3
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1964

marrried 1932 brixton devon

sadly
Montague Ivan William
Grave reference II. E. 5.
Last name Channell
Cemetery or Memorial Massicault War Cemetery
Birth year 1917
Burial country Tunisia
Age 26
Additional information Son of Montague and Mabel Florence Channell, of Isleworth, Middlesex.
Death year 1943
Link https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead
Death date 27 Apr 1943
War Second World War, 1939-1945
Number 6845353
Record set Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour
Rank Corporal
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Unit 2nd Bn.
Subcategory Second World War
Regiment Royal Fusiliers (City Of London Regiment)
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

1939
H M Prison Camp Hill, Newport, Isle Of Wight, Newport, Newport M.B., Isle of Wight, England
Montague I W
Schedule Sub Number 155
Last name(s) Channell
Borough / District Newport M.B.
DOB 21 Nov 1916
County Isle of Wight
Birth day 21
County Isle of Wight
Birth month 11
Country England
Birth year 1916
Archive reference RG101/2649G/005/23
Sex Male
Piece number 2649G
Marital status Single
Item number 5
Occupation Cinematograph Operator
Line number 23
Address H M Prison Camp Hill, Newport, Isle Of Wight, Newport
Category Census, land & surveys
Place Newport M.B.
Subcategory Census
E. D. letter code EPCU
Collections from Great Britain, England

there are several newspaper articles on fmp about william bertie and bankruptcy

The 14 !!! children with their full beautiful names. Wonder why poor Ellen only got one name.

CHANNELL, MABEL HELEN ELIZABETH FISHER
GRO Reference: 1914 D Quarter in FULHAM Volume 01A Page 495

CHANNELL, MYRTLE ROSE GERTRUDE FISHER
GRO Reference: 1916 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 147

CHANNELL, MONTAGUE IVAN WILLIAM FISHER
GRO Reference: 1917 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 115

CHANNELL, DOUGLAS STANLEY FISHER
GRO Reference: 1918 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 96

CHANNELL, ELLEN FISHER
GRO Reference: 1918 D Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 133

CHANNELL, EVELINE LILIAN FISHER
GRO Reference: 1920 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 206

CHANNELL, LILIAN MARY MARGARET EVELYN FISHER
GRO Reference: 1921 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 189

CHANNELL, ANNETTA CONSTANCE FISHER
GRO Reference: 1922 S Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 175

CHANNELL, PETER HENRY FISHER
GRO Reference: 1924 M Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 161

CHANNELL, WILLIAM BERTIE FISHER
GRO Reference: 1926 M Quarter in CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 510

CHANNELL, CHARLES FREDERICK FISHER
GRO Reference: 1927 S Quarter in ROMFORD Volume 04A Page 745

CHANNELL, WALTER CHARLES FISHER
GRO Reference: 1929 M Quarter in ROMFORD Volume 04A Page 820

CHANNELL, DORIS ZENA FISHER
GRO Reference: 1932 S Quarter in ROMFORD Volume 04A Page 947

CHANNELL, BARBARA ZILLAH FISHER
GRO Reference: 1934 J Quarter in ROMFORD Volume 04A Page 875

Eveline was the child (baby) who died in 1920.

Steals Milk ; Children Wait at Empty Table. Caught stealing three bottles of milk from doorways in Kensington, Montague Channell declared: "I took the milk for my wife and five children. I cannot see them starve, and I have nothing whatever to give them."
11 January 1921 - Leicester Evening Mail - Leicester, Leicestershire, England

What a desperate situation the family were in with no help from anyone.

He was indeed a most interesting and principled man. There is a full story of the plight he and his family found themselves in this paper.

'.. high for the humble finances of Montague Channel! t o approach them. It is usually from the poor that the poor are driven to seek assistance, and the opulent empty houses of Kensington being denied them, Montague Channel! and his family took refuge in...'
16 September 1922 - Woman's Dreadnought - London, London, England

They had been living in Kensington when the landlord decided he wanted his property back so evicted the family. They were put on the street and despite begging the Mayor to help them find accommodation they were turned down and eventually put in the workhouse. Montague fought against this as he wanted his family to stay together and offered to be a tenant but this was turned down.
Eventually they were allowed to be tenants in the workhouse but all kind of obstacles were put in their way. When the article ends they have been evicted from the workhouse and living with his mother in law but were in the process of being evicted from there. All this was with his young family including new borns.
A child died in June 1920 in the workhouse at 7 weeks old because of all the stress put on the mother who could not feed the child.

I have pm'd you.

William
Country England
Last name Channell
Archive Surrey History Centre
Baptism year 1853
Archive reference 2374/1/4
Baptism date 27 Nov 1853
Register type Baptisms
Place Ewell, St Mary
Year range 1845-1872
Residence Ewell
Page 59
Father's first name(s) Alfred
Record set Surrey Baptisms
Father's occupation Labourer
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Mary Ann
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Surrey
Collections from England, Great Britain

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Upper Marsh, Ewell, Epsom, Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alfred Channell Head
- Male 46 1825 - Surrey, England
Mary Ann Channell Wife
- Female 44 1827 - Surrey, England
Alfred Channell Son
- Male 23 1848 - Surrey, England
Thomas Channell Son
- Male 21 1850 - Surrey, England
William Channell Son
- Male 17 1854 - Surrey, England
Fanny Channell Daughter
- Female 14 1857 - Surrey, England
Louisa Channell Daughter
- Female 12 1859 - Surrey, England
Lucy Elizabeth Channell Daughter
- Female 5 1866 - Surrey, England

Name: Mary Ann Martin
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 May 1847
Marriage Place: Ewell, St Mary, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Ewell
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Father: David Martin
Spouse: Alfred Chennell
father william chennel a labourer

Alfred
Country England
Last name Chenell
Archive Surrey History Centre
Baptism year 1823
Archive reference HW/4/1
Baptism date 10 May 1823
Register type Baptisms
Place West Horsley, St Mary
Year range 1813-1848
Residence West Horseley
Page 29
Father's first name(s) William
Record set Surrey Baptisms
Father's occupation Labourer
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
County Surrey
Collections from England, Great Britain

William
County Surrey
Last name Chennell
Country England
Marital status Bachelor
Archive Surrey History Centre
Marriage year 1814
Archive reference SHER/2/2
Marriage date 07 May 1814
Register type Marriages
Marriage place Shere, St James
Year range 1813-1830
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Page 7
Spouse's last name Elles
Record set Surrey Marriages
Spouse's condition Spinster
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
First witness Mercy Chennell
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Second witness Henry Elles
Collections from England, Great Britain

A site you need to get used to using

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

It's invaluable

They had lots of children.

You can find the details on FreeBMD by searching births, using both parents' surnames.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl


Mabel H E 1914
Myrtle R G 1916
Montague I W 1917
Douglas S - 1918
Ellen 1918
Eveline L 1920
Lilian M M E 1921
Annetta C 1922
Peter H 1924
William B 1926
Charles F 1927
Walter C 1929
Doris Z 1932
Barbara Z 1934

Douglas and Ellen are NOT twins.
All dates above are of registration, not necessarily birth.


Doris Zena married a Strutt and died 1995.
Barbara married a Horton. Her husband died in 1968, and she was living in Hertfordshire in 2008.
Walter married in 1953, and died in 2002.
William married in 1942 and died in 2004.
Peter married in 1945 and died in 2002.
Lillian married in 1950. If she has died, her full name hasn't been used on the registration.
Annette/Annetta married in 1951, and died in 2013.
Eveline probably died in infancy, in 1920, with her name spelled Evelyn.
Ellen married in 1950, and died in 1977.
Douglas was a POW in Singapore in WW2, married in 1947, and died in 1964.
Montague died in WW2 as already posted.
Myrtle married in 1937 and died in 2006/
Mabel married in 1934, and died in 1993.

His wife's death:

Deaths Mar 1948 (>99%)
Channell Mabel F 53 Ealing 5e 224

Montague Channell
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Montague Channell
Death Age: 72
Birth Date: abt 1888
Registration Date: Oct 1960[Nov 1960] [Dec 1960]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Ealing
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 154

Father's death ??:

William Channell
in the London, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-2003
Name: William Channell
Gender: Male
Death Age: 37
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1855
Death Date: Abt 1892
Burial Date: 9 Jun 1892
Burial Place: Norwood Cemetery, Norwood Road, Lambeth, Lambeth, England
Register Type: Bishop's Transcript
Comments: Reused Graves At Norwood; See the Database Description For A Link For More Information.

This is him with his widowed mother in the 1901 census living with his uncle:-

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
93, Hermit Road, West Ham, London & Essex, England

Household members (6 people)

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

John Crampton Head Widower Male 46 1855 Builder Essex, England
John W Crampton Son Single Male 22 1879 Decorator London, England
Alfred F Crampton Son Single Male 19 1882 Potman London, England
Florence E Crampton Daughter Single Female 12 1889 - London, England
Ellen Channell Sister Widow Female 41 1860 Housekeeper Middlesex, England
Montague Channell Nephew Single Male 12 1889 - Middlesex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Mortegne Channell
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Mortegne Channell
[Montague Channell]
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London S W, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Search Photos: Search for 'West Ham' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos
Ecclesiastical parish: St Gabrie
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration District: West Ham
Sub-registration District: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Neighbors:
Piece: 1576
Folio: 144
Page Number: 40
Household Schedule Number: 213
Household Members:
Name Age
John Crampton 46
John W Crampton 22
Alfred F Crampton 19
Florence E Crampton 12
Ellen Channell 41 - sister, widow
Mortegne Channell 12

Birth:

CHANNELL, MONTAGUE mmn PEEK
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 685


Montague Channell
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Montague Channell
Gender: Male
Age: 2
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1889
Father: William Channell
Mother: Ellen Channell
Birth Place: Lambeth, London, England
Civil parish: Clapham
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Residence Place: Clapham, Clapham, London, England
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub registration district: Clapham
ED, Institution or Vessel: 11
Neighbors:
Piece: 441
Folio: 72
Household Members Age Relationship
William Channell 37 Head
Ellen Channell 32 Wife
Montague Channell 2 Son

Montague Channel
Census • England and Wales Census, 1911
Event Type Census
Name Montague Channel
Sex Male
Age 22
Event Date 1911
Event Place Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Kingston On Thames, , Surrey, England
Sub-District Kingston
Sub-District Number 2
Enumeration District 9
Registration District Kingston
District Number 40
Birth Year (Estimated) 1889
Birthplace Battersea London, London
Marital Status Single
Occupation INSURANCE AGENT
Nationality BRITISH
Number in Family 4
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Document Type 3
Page Number 1
Source Page Type 6
Piece/Folio 177
Registration Number RG14
Schedule Type 89
Other People on This Record
John Crampton
Event Type Census
Name John Crampton
Sex Male
Age 57
Event Date 1911
Event Place Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Kingston On Thames, , Surrey, England
Sub-District Kingston
Sub-District Number 2
Enumeration District 9
Registration District Kingston
District Number 40
Birth Year (Estimated) 1854
Birthplace Wix, Essex
Marital Status Widowed
Occupation BUILDER AND CONTRACTOR
Nationality BRITISH
Number in Family 4
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Document Type 3
Page Number 1
Source Page Type 6
Piece/Folio 177
Registration Number RG14
Schedule Type 89
Ellen Channel
Event Type Census
Name Ellen Channel
Sex Female
Age 52
Event Date 1911
Event Place Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original) Kingston On Thames, , Surrey, England
Sub-District Kingston
Sub-District Number 2
Enumeration District 9
Registration District Kingston
District Number 40
Birth Year (Estimated) 1859
Birthplace Tambton, Middlesex
Marital Status Widowed
Nationality BRITISH
Number in Family 4
Relationship to Head of Household Housekeeper
Document Type 3
Page Number 1
Source Page Type 6
Piece/Folio 177
Registration Number RG14
Schedule Type 89

Montague Channell
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Montague Channell [postman ]
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1888
Marriage Date: 6 Jun 1915
Marriage Place: St Luke, South Kensington, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: William Channell [brass furbisher ]
Spouse: Mabel Florence Fisher
Register Type: Parish Register


Montague Channell
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Montague Channell
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 13 Aug 1888
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 68
Residence Place: Heston and Isleworth, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Commercial Traveller
Line Number: 6
Schedule Number: 215
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: BLAO
Borough: Heston and Isleworth
Registration district: 128/1
Inferred Spouse:
Mabel F Channell
Inferred Children:
Lillian M M E Channell
Peter H Channell
William B Channell
Walter C Channell
Dorie Z Channell
Household Members Age
Montague Channell 51
Mabel F Channell 46
Lillian M M E Channell 18
Peter H Channell 15
William B Channell 13
Walter C Channell 10
Dorie Z Channell 7



One son's death:

Montague Ivan William Channell
in the UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947
Name: Montague Ivan William Channell
Gender: Male
Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1917
Death Date: 27 Apr 1943
Cemetery: Massicault War Cemetery Tun 3
Burial Country: Tunisia
Regimental Number: 6845353
Region or Memorial: Tunisia
Father: Montague Channell
Mother: Mabel Florence Channell


Cpl Montague Ivan William Channell
in the Global, Find a Grave Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current
Name: Cpl Montague Ivan William Channell
Death Date: 27 Apr 1943
Cemetery: Massicault War Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Borj el Amri (Massicault), Manouba, Tunisia

This looks like his parents' marriage:-

First name(s) William
Country England
Last name Channell
Volume 1D
Marriage quarter 4
Volume as transcribed 1D
Marriage year 1886
Page number 773
Registration month -
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
MarriageFinder™ William Channell married one of these people
>>>>Ellen Peek,<<<< Clasie Augusta Creed
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Lambeth
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England

Kath. x