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Hello
I am looking for anyone related to or knows of William Carruthers, born in Longtown, in what was then Cumberland in or around 1911.
He was a brother to John, Joseph, Richard, Robert, Jean (Janet), and Annie.
It is known that he fought in WWII but are not sure where or with which service.
Any information would be gratefully received.
Possible relations could be on the west coast of Cumbria, UK.

Bill

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WW11 records are not online - see info about applying for them on Military Chat board

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/military_chat/thread/1380443

Start with his birth record on freebmd

Was MMN Pigg?

Look for possible marriage and follow-through

This appears to be William's parents and siblings in the 1911 census not long before he was born:-

1911 Census For England & Wales
69 Swan St Longtown Cumbd, Arthuret, Cumberland, England

Household members (8 people)

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Richard Carruthers Head Married Male 41 1870 Railway labourer Cumberland Longtown
Bridget Carruthers Wife Married Female 41 1870 - Cumberland Arthurst Parish
Janet Carruthers Daughter Single Female 22 1889 Sewing machinist tailoring Cumberland Longtown
Annie Ridley Carruthers Daughter Single Female 15 1896 Sewing machinist apprentice Cumberland Longtown
Joseph Carruthers Son - Male 14 1897 General labourer Cumberland Longtown
John Carruthers Son - Male 12 1899 School Cumberland Longtown
Richard Carruthers Son - Male 9 1902 - Cumberland Longtown
Robert Carruthers Son - Male 4 1907 - Cumberland Longtown

Kath. x

This is the 1939 register with William's widowed brother who has their mother living with him:-

1939 Register
Graham A? Cliff, Border, Border R.D., Cumberland, England

Household members (3 people)

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number

Robert Carruthers 12 Jul 1906 Male Hotel Manager Widowed 42 1
Joan Carruthers 18 Sep 1937 Female Under School Age Single 42 2
Bridget Carruthers 16 Jan 1870 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 42 3

Kath. x

This looks like William in the 1939 register:-

Household members (2 people)

1939 Register
1 Smalmstown Terrace, Longtown, Border R.D., Cumberland, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number

William Carruthers 10 Sep 1911 Male Public Works Locomotive Driver Single 6 1
Annie S Carruthers 11 Apr 1914 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 6 2

Kath. x

CARRUTHERS, ANNIE RIDLEY PIGG
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in LONGTOWN Volume 10B Page 526

CARRUTHERS, JANET PIGG
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in LONGTOWN Volume 10B Page 464

CARRUTHERS, JOSEPH PIGG
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in LONGTOWN Volume 10B Page 520

CARRUTHERS, RICHARD PIGG
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in LONGTOWN Volume 10B Page 582

CARRUTHERS, ROBERT PIGG
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in LONGTOWN Volume 10B Page 567

CARRUTHERS, WILLIAM mmn PIGG
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in LONGTOWN Volume 10B Page 997


Parents' marriage:

Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
Carruthers Richard Longtown 10b 670
Pigg Bridget Longtown 10b 670

?? [ EDIT: Not if the 1939 above is the correct one.]

William Carruthers
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: William Carruthers
Death Age: 80
Birth Date: 29 Sep 1911
Registration Date: Sep 1991
Registration District: Whitehaven
Inferred County: Cumbria
Volume: 1
Page: 675

Did William die during the war?

There is this record:-

First name(s) William
Grave reference Column 15.
Last name Carruthers
Cemetery or Memorial Singapore Memorial
Birth year 1911
Burial country Singapore
Age 34
Link https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead
Death year 1945
War Second World War, 1939-1945
Death date 02 May 1945
Record set Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour
Number 1697486 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Rank Gunner
Subcategory Second World War
Unit 264 Bty., 43 Lt. A.A. Regt.
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
Regiment Royal Artillery <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

You would need to apply to the MOD for his full service record here:-

https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records

They cost £30 and can take quite a few months to arrive

Kath. x

[DELETED a couple of WW! records which of course couldn't possibly be for this William, as Kath reminded me below. ]

The William Carruthers that we are looking for was born in 1911 so wouldn't have been serving in the first world war.

Kath. x

forces-war-records.co.uk lists about 30 different William or W Carruthers with no middle initial, in WW2.

Don't know what other detail (DOB ?) might be shown if I had a sub to the site.

to go with argllGrans death record

Name: William Carruthers
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 29 Sep 1911
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 21 Frazer St.
Residence Place: Workington, Cumberland, England
Occupation: Pipe Fitter Iron & Steel Worker Heavy Worker
Line Number: 2
Schedule Number: 144
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: HBKO
Borough: Workington
Registration district: 576/3
Inferred Spouse:
Dorothy Carruthers
Household Members Age
William Carruthers 28
Dorothy Carruthers
26

Name: Dorothy Ritson
Registration Date: Apr 1935
[May 1935]
[Jun 1935]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Cockermouth
Inferred County: Cumberland
Spouse: William Carruthers
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 1494

two sons born 1937 and 1940 in cockermouth
both seem to have married

Bridget Pigg is in the poster's tree, so he has obviously done some research

She's in one other GR tree, as is William Carruthers - your best bet is to try to make contact, William

1939
Name: Robert Carruthers
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed
Birth Date: 12 Jul 1906
Residence Date: 1939
Address: Graham Ann Cliff
Residence Place: Border, Cumberland, England
Occupation: Hotel Manager
Line Number: 27
Schedule Number: 42
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: HCEI
Borough: Border
Registration district: 573/1
Household Members Age
Robert Carruthers 33
Joan Carruthers
2
Bridget Carruthers
69


Name: Robert Carruthers
Gender: Male
Age: 26
Birth Date: 1906
Marriage Date: 25 Feb 1932
Marriage Place: Stapleton, Cumberland, England
Father:
Richard Carruthers
Spouse:
Minnie Little
FHL Film Number: 1472284
Reference ID: 159


Name: Minnie Carruthers
Gender: Female
Death Date: abt 1939
Burial Date: 21 Aug 1939
Burial Place: Stapleton, Cumberland, England
FHL Film Number: 1472284
Reference ID: item 1 - 7 p 79

child additional to joan born 1938 cockermouth

Deaths Sep 1970 (>99%)
CARRUTHERS Annie Snowden 11Ap1915 Oldham 10f 162

??????

Marriages Dec 1934 (>99%)
Carruthers William Poole Carlisle 10b 1116
Poole Annie S Carruthers Carlisle 10b 1116

One birth on freebmd

No birth in UK to match Annie's info - either 1914 or 1915

Annie Ridley
Country England
Last name Carruthers
Father's first name(s) Richard
Gender Female
Father's last name Carruthers
Birth year 1895
Mother's first name(s) Bridget
Birth place -
Mother's last name -
Baptism year 1939
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Baptism date 1939
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Residence Kirkoswald, Cumberland, England
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Place Kirkoswald
Collections from England, Great

Name: Annie Ridley Forster
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 24 Aug 1896
Registration Date: Oct 1979
[Nov 1979]
[Dec 1979]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Carlisle
Inferred County: Cumbria
Volume: 1
Page: 0204

Name: Annie R Carruthers
Registration Date: Jan 1923
[Feb 1923]
[Mar 1923]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Longtown
Inferred County: Cumberland
Spouse: Gorge Forster
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 745



Name: Annie R Forster
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 24 Aug 1895
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 4 the Square
Residence Place: Penrith, Cumberland, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 12
Schedule Number: 70
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: HCUG
Borough: Penrith
Registration district: 571/2
Inferred Spouse:
George Forster
Household Members Age
George Forster
43
Annie R Forster 44

4 children born 1924 - 1937 longtown

Name: Janet Carruthers
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: abt 1889
Registration Date: Jul 1959
[Aug 1959]
[Sep 1959]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Border
Inferred County: Cumberland
Volume: 1a
Page: 3

1939
Name: Janet Carruthers
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 22 Aug 1888
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 35 Netherby St
Residence Place: Border, Cumberland, England
Occupation: Tailors Machinist
Line Number: 12
Schedule Number: 264
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: HCEA
Borough: Border
Registration district: 573/1
Household Members Age
Richard Carruthers
70
Janet Carruthers 51