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Thank you for clearing up those postings, ArgyllGran.

Our internet has really been playing up this week and I'm not always able to go off and search for verification.

Thank you I am going to get all these info postings sorted this afternoon.

Thank you all again, you have helped me such a lot.

Just to clear up a couple of loose ends -

At 17:09 on 13 Sept, Gwyn posted the WW1 army record of a Percy John Barley.
He was William Barley's brother, born 1898.
In 1939 he's living in Biggleswade with wife Gladys. His DOB given as 8/7/1898.



Then at 17:51 Gwyn mentioned, as a slight possibility, the 1939 record of a Percy J Barley, born 28/3/1912.
"Barley" is a mistranscription - that man's surname was Bailey.

Percy John Bailey.
Born in West Ham; parents John and Florence May (nee Roper) Bailey .
Died in Northampton in 1985; DOB 28/3/ 1912.


"Your" Percy Albert Barley was probably already in the army at the time of the 1939 Register being compiled, and therefore doesn't appear on it.

My thanks to everyone who helped me on this thread. Your time and effort is very much appreciated

:-D :-D. I am undertaking the task of finding information of all the WW2 soldiers on the town war memorial so I am going to get addled for sure.

I know the feeling only too well!

Thank you for putting me straight I had an addle of the brain

Kate was born illegitimately as Ling, but brought up as Holiday after her mother Eliza Ann Ling married Charles Robert Holiday (or other spelling).

She's on the 1891 census as Ling, then in 1901 and 1911 her name's Holiday, and she's with Eliza and Charles and siblings.

Kate was only married once, to William Barley.

I had lost the plot there with the marriage :-0 It was Kate I was referring to re Ling. Have I got that right

Who do you mean was married before?

Eliza?

No, she wasn't - she had Kate before she married Charles Holiday/Haliday/Halliday.

LaGooner -

Percy's parents' marriage was posted twice at 18:07, by me and by Shirley.

Thank you I did not realise she had been married before

Kate Ling
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Kate Ling
Gender: Male [ Female on image - I've submitted a correction]
Age: 9/12
Relationship: Boarder
Birth Year: 1890
Birth Place: Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Whittlesey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Residence Place: Whittlesey, Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Registration District: Whittlesey
Sub registration district: Whittlesey
ED, Institution or Vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 1302
Folio: 79
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ellingham 43
John Ellingham 21
Susannah Ellingham 15
Ernest Fountain 8
Kate Ling 9/12

Address: 24th Private Road


Her mother in the same year:

Eliza A Ling
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Eliza A Ling
Gender: Female
Age: 19
Relationship: Servant
Birth Year: 1872
Birth Place: Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Whittlesey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Residence Place: Whittlesey, Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Registration District: Whittlesey
Sub registration district: Whittlesey
ED, Institution or Vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 1302
Folio: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick F Fuller 60
Sarah Fuller 54
Eliza Fuller 26
William Fuller 18
Laurie Fuller 13
Harriett L Fuller 11
Eliza A Ling 19

Address: Ivy House, Church Street.

As a (presumably) live-in servant , she wouldn't have been able to have her baby with her.


I wonder if her parents refused to look after the child:

Horace Ling
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Horace Ling
Gender: Male
Age: 57
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1834
Spouse: Emma Ling
Child: Mary Jane Ling
Arthur Ling
Herbert Ling
Birth Place: Eye, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Whittlesey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Residence Place: Whittlesey, Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Registration District: Whittlesey
Sub registration district: Whittlesey
ED, Institution or Vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 1302
Folio: 78
Household Members:
Name Age
Horace Ling 57
Emma Ling 57
Mary Jane Ling 15
Arthur Ling 17
Herbert Ling 73

Address: Eastgate

Kate's siblings' births:

HOLLIDAY, HERBERT mmn LING
GRO Reference: 1896 D Quarter in WISBECH Volume 03B Page 582

HOLIDAY, ELLEN ELIZABETH mmn LING
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in WISBECH Volume 03B Page 558

HOLIDAY, FLORENCE ANNIE mmn LING
GRO Reference: 1894 S Quarter in WHITTLESEY Volume 03B Page 537

[Whittlesey is a mistranscription. The image says Wisbech. So does FreeBMD]


Kate's birth?

LING, KATE -
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in WHITTLESEY Volume 03B Page 548


Parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
Haliday Charles Robert Peterborough 3b 503
Halliday Charles Robert Peterborough 3b 503
Ling Eliza Ann Peterbro' 3b 503

Thank you for that ArgllGran no wonder I could not find it :-|. Would that be the case in the parents marriage too as I could not find that either

Percy's birth record won't be available until 2033 - 120 years after the birth.

(That's assuming he was born in Alberta.)

Name: Wm Barley
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1890
Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 4 Mar 1911
Arrival Port: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Vessel: Hesperian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Hesperian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Name: Kate Holiday
Gender: Female
Arrival Age: 21
Birth Year: abt 1891
Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 16 Mar 1912
Arrival Port: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Vessel: Teutonic
Search Ship Database: Search for the Teutonic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Percy Barley
in the UK, World War II Allied Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
Name: Percy Barley
Rank: Sgt.
Military Date: 1939-1945
Service Number: 796842
Description: 172: British Army List of Missing to be Circulated to POW Camps: includes Copy of 1st & 2nd Lists

There is a picture of Percy in the Biggleswade Chronicle dated 9 Aug 1940. He was reported missing in May 1940 but his death wasn't confirmed until 1945.

Kate Holiday
in the Alberta, Canada, Marriages Index, 1898-1944
Name: Kate Holiday
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 1912
Marriage Place: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Spouse: Wm. H. Barley
Certificate Number: 2102