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Elizabeth (Johns) and John Lee

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Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Sep 2021 13:37

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Martha
District Pocklington
Last name Jones
County Yorkshire
Gender Female
Volume 9D
Birth day -
Page 47
Birth month -
Country England
Birth year 1877
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Age 6
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death quarter 3
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1883
Collections from Great Britain, England

Annie
District Pocklington
Last name Jones
County Yorkshire
Gender Female
Volume 9D
Birth day -
Page 47
Birth month -
Country England
Birth year 1875
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Age 8
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death quarter 3
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Death year 1883
Collections from Great Britain, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 9 Sep 2021 13:38

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Mill House, Huggate, Pocklington, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Blanchard Head - Male 45 1826 - Yorkshire, England
Ann Blanchard Wife - Female 42 1829 - Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Blanchard Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Yorkshire, England
William Blanchard Son - Male 5 1866 - Yorkshire, England
George Blanchard Son - Male 4 1867 - Yorkshire, England
Eliza Blanchard Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Yorkshire, England
John Blanchard Son - Male 1 1870 - Yorkshire, England

Robert born Foggasthorpe
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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BLANCHARD, WILLIAM JOHNSON JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in POCKLINGTON Volume 09D Page 65

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Sep 2021 13:40

Can't see Arthur after 1911 with any certainty, but there are several records for males named Arthur Johns (and Arthur Lee, in case John Lee adopted him)) of around the right age, in various places .
Can't tell if any of them might be him.

There's no way of knowing where he might have moved to.

Marie

Marie Report 9 Sep 2021 13:44

Oh wow, that's great thank you

Maddie

Maddie Report 9 Sep 2021 13:59

????
Arthur
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Jones
County Yorkshire (East Riding)
Birth year 1909
Country England
Birth date 10 Feb 1909
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Baptism year 1910
Archive reference PR POCK 74
Baptism date 11 Jan 1910
Page 79
Baptism place Pocklington
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Denomination Anglican
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Father's first name(s) -
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
abode the poplars

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Sep 2021 14:20

Further to my earlier post...............

LEE, SARAH ALICE JOHNS
GRO Reference: 1919 D Quarter in LEYBURN Volume 09D Page 1300


Marriages Sep 1943 (>99%)
Keddie Sarah A Macintyre Wensleydale 9d 1247
Lee Sarah A Macintyre Wensleydale 9d 1247
Macintyre William Keddie Wensleydale 9d 1247
Macintyre William Lee Wensleydale 9d 1247


greyghost

greyghost Report 9 Sep 2021 14:24

1861 - Robert Blanchard unmarried

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Pain Slack, Huggate, Pocklington, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Hannah King Head Widow Female 55 1806 ... 760 acres employing 5 labourer and 7 boys Yorkshire, England
John King Son Unmarried Male 36 1825 Manager of farm Huggate, Yorkshire, England
Ann Moxon Daughter - Female 28 1833 - Huggate, Yorkshire, England
Mary Moxon Granddaughter - Female 3 1858 - Canterbury, Kent, England
Elizabeth Dooks Niece - Female 12 1849 House maid Middleton, Yorkshire, England
Jane Horsley Visitor Unmarried Female 21 1840 - Garton, Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Alert Servant Unmarried Female 20 1841 Domestic servant Banks, Yorkshire, England
Mary Sill Servant Unmarried Female 20 1841 Domestic servant Huggate, Yorkshire, England
Robert Blanchard Servant Unmarried Male 35 1826 Foreman Foggathorpe, Yorkshire, England
Thomas Johnson Servant Unmarried Male 20 1841 Waggoner Warter, Yorkshire, England
John Jackson Servant Unmarried Male 18 1843 Ploughboy Sutton, Lincolnshire, England
John Vose Servant - Male 15 1846 Ploughboy Pocklington, Yorkshire, England
Isaac Sill Servant - Male 15 1846 Ploughboy Huggate, Yorkshire, England
David Johnson Servant - Male 12 1849 Ploughboy Huggate, Yorkshire, England
Wilson Burks Servant - Male 13 1848 Ploughboy Huggate, Yorkshire, England
Francis Pickering Servant - Male 14 1847 Shepherd Garton, Yorkshire, England
David Pickering Servant Married Male 27 1834 Assistant shepherd Huggate, Yorkshire, England
Mark Snowden Servant Married Male 61 1800 Cow herd Rufforth, Yorkshire, England
Robert Young - Married Male 56 1805 Labourer agricultural Yorkshire, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 9 Sep 2021 14:30

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1861 (>99%)
BLANSHARD Robert Pocklington 9d 133
BROWN Ann Pocklington 9d 133


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)
Brown William Pocklington 23 125
JOHNSON Ann Pocklington 23 125
Manners Mary Ann Pocklington 23 125
Mitton William Pocklington 23 125

greyghost

greyghost Report 9 Sep 2021 14:44

Unable to access GRO site at present to see ages -

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Sep 1852 (>99%)
Brown William Pocklington 9d 54

Deaths Jun 1855 (>99%)
Brown William Pocklington 9d 140

Edit 1852 death aged 0

1855 death not showing

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Sep 2021 15:07

The only way to be certain that you follow the correct John William Lee is to get a copy of his marriage cert to find out if he knew his father's details

It will also tell you whether he'd been married before, which would be a distinct possibility, in view of his age

Marie

Marie Report 9 Sep 2021 15:34

Thank you so much every one

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Sep 2021 15:50

BROWN, WILLIAM 35
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in PATRINGTON Volume 09D Page 140

On freebmd 'Pocklington' is in italics - meaning there is a query. In this case, the transcriber can't read - the image is very clear

I have submitted a correction to freebmd

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Sep 2021 16:25

Marie said that John William Lee's father was Robert - a blacksmith.

Does it say if Robert was alive or deceased in 1914, Marie?
And any other details about John would be helpful.
What was his occupation?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Sep 2021 16:32

Oops! I missed that entirely!

The address might give a clue...........and the witnesses' names

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Sep 2021 16:34

On looking at Ancestry, I see that the record for Alice Macintyre(Keddie) is redacted, so her death hasn't been picked up, although one assumes FMP have opened the record under the 100-year rule

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Sep 2021 16:37

FMP quite often shows open records on the 1939 register, when they're still closed on Ancestry.

greyghost

greyghost Report 9 Sep 2021 19:49

My question @ 1223
Do you have the marriage cert. What was John's marital status and
What age was John William Lee and what was his occupation - ? possible to find them on the 1939 register

answer 1242
Not sure how old John was, but I believe he was a joiner.

So ? Marie doesn't have the certificate?

How do you know his Father was Robert a Blacksmith?
and why do you think he was a joiner.

All details from the marriage certificate if you do have it please

Marie

Marie Report 10 Sep 2021 09:22

Thanks all.
I am trying to find out the details from marriage certificate, as someone in family does have it.
Once I have these, I can update.

Marie

Marie Report 10 Sep 2021 10:21

UPDATE FROM MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE

28th November 1914 Pocklington

John William Lee
Age 43
Condition - bachelor
Occupation- joiner
Address- South Parade, Pocklington
Father- Robert Lee, deceased
Father occupation- Blacksmith

Elizabeth Johns
Age- 34
Condition- spinster
Address- Pocklington (I know she was in the workhouse at this time)
Father- William Johns, deceased
Father occupation- farm labourer

Witnesses- J or F Todd & J. Atkinson

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Sep 2021 11:44

Thanks, Marie.

However, I'm afraid I don't see any John (William) Lee in 1911,who's a joiner and unmarried and the right age.

Nor in 1881 with a blacksmith father named Robert.