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After posting Charles's army record, Maddie asked "What happened to Annie?".

I think we should be asking "What happened to Ellen Jane?"

It seems to me that Charles was with Annie from 1905 onwards (the date of "marriage" stated in 1911 census), and remained with her until she died.

Ellen may have been named as NOK just because she was his legal wife - but at the address Charles shared with Annie.

The family seem to be missing from the 1901 census, so we can't see if Charles and Ellen were still together then or not.

In 1911 census, Charles and Annie's address is 29 Sidmouth Street.

Charles is on the 1912 ER at that address:

Charles Papworth
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Charles Papworth
Electoral Date: 1912
Street Address: 29 Sidmouth street
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Pancras South
County or Borough: Camden, England

However, although that's his "Place of abode", there's also a column for "Description of Qualifying Property", which has 29 Sidmouth Street, 39 Harrison Street, and 11 Britannia Street.


In 1910 he (or at least someone named Charles Papworth) is at 33 Harrison Street.

In 1912, James Wing is at 11 Britannia Street.

Re Ellen Jane Fisher in 1911 -

she may be Ellen Jane Reed, who married George Fisher in Woking (Guildford reg district) in Dec qr 1897

They're living in Woking in 1901.
They had a daughter Florence in 1901. Florence is living with an uncle and aunt in 1911.
They also had a daughter Jessie Maud in 1898, who died 1899 and is buried in Woking.

Marriage of daughter Annie Frances Eatwell, with whom Emma Rosetta Papworth is living in 1939 (already posted):

But father Thomas?
Arthur died when she was a baby, so maybe she didn't know his name correctly.

Annie Frances Eatwell
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1936
Name: Annie Frances Eatwell
Marriage Age: 17 [ 27 on image ]
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1906
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1923
Marriage Place: St Pancras Parish Chapel, Camden, England
Father: Thomas Eatwell, deceased , printer <<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: George Davey

Witnesses:
C W Papworth and Rose Nicholls



??
Annie Eatwell
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Annie Eatwell
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Gender: Female
Birth Place: England [ LONDON on image]
Civil Parish: Coventry
Country: England
Street Address: Gues Melustus Scome Coventry [ Girls' Industrial Home]
Marital status: Single
Occupation: School
Registration District Number: 390
Sub-registration District: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Piece: 18579

the ellen jane fisher in 1911 census a patient in camberwell had been married 13 yrs had 2 children 1 living and 1 died so she is not the ellen jane fisher that married charles william papworth

I expect Helena died in infancy, although there seems to be no record of it.

She may have been a sickly baby, as her parents seem to have been hedging their bets by having her baptised twice - C of E in 1895, and RC in 1898.

Can't see Charles or Ellen (or Annie for that matter) in 1901.

No, not that travel record.

Helena could not possibly be an assistant steward (who would be male in any case) on a ship at the age of eight.

culd this be helena ann

Name E A Papworth
Immigration Date 26 Jul 1902
Immigration Place New Zealand
Immigration Place (Original) Unknown, New Zealand
Departure Place London
Occupation asst steward
Arrival Port Unknown
Departure Port London
Ship Name Waiwera

from deceased on line fee paying siite
Burial Register summary
last name
Papworth
first names
Annie Frances
Burial date
21 June 1929
Location
Camden

???

Annie F Papworth
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Annie F Papworth
Death Age: 56
Birth Date: abt 1873
Registration Date: Apr 1929[May 1929] [Jun 1929]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Pancras
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 101



Annie Frances Papworth
in the Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Name: Annie Frances Papworth
Death Date: abt 1929
Burial or Cremation Date: 21 Jun 1929
Burial or Cremation Place: Camden, London, England


Already posted Annie Frances and Charles William together at 21 Harrison Street in 1927.
They were at that address in 1920 - 29.

Alfred James Papworth is with them in 1929.
He's presumably Annie's Eatwell son, born 1891 - birth already posted.

have not been able to trace helena as not with he father in 1911
posted her bapt in 1898 born 1894 on page1 also gives mothers mmn but slightly different to ag's post

Other children, not named in 1914.


PAPWORTH, MARTHA LYDIA FISHER
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 639

Deaths Jun 1898 (>99%)
PAPWORTH Martha Lydia 0 Westminster 1a 325



PAPWORTH, HELENA ANNE FISHER
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 622

Helena Ann Papworth
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920
Name: Helena Ann Papworth
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Apr 1895
Baptism Place: St Bartholomew, St Pancras, Camden, England
Father: Charles William Papworth
Mother: Ellen Jane Papworth
Register Type: Parish Register

Charles's occupation is wire worker.

The children on the 1911 census and army record all have mmn Eatwell, not Crace.

PAPWORTH, CHARLES WILLIAM mmn EATWELL
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 59

PAPWORTH, ALFRED JAMES mmn EATWELL
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 61

PAPWORTH, FRANCIS WILLIAM mmn EATWELL
GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 39

PAPWORTH, ELLEN MARTHA mmn EATWELL
GRO Reference: 1912 S Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 51


Another child, who died:

PAPWORTH, MARTHA MARIA mmn EATWELL
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 50

Deaths Dec 1910 (>99%)
Papworth Martha M 0 Pancras 1b 89

and another:

PAPWORTH, JOHN HAROLD mmn EATWELL
GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 39

Deaths Dec 1909 (>99%)
PAPWORTH John Errol 0 Pancras 1b 19

And a third, who survived:

PAPWORTH, EMMA ROSETTA mmn EATWELL
GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 93

In 1939 she's living with her half-sister Annie Frances Eatwell:

Emma Rosetta Popworth
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Emma Rosetta Popworth [Emma Rosetta Humphries]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 19 Jun 1914
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: St Pancras, London, England
Occupation: Photographers Assistant
Line Number: 7
Schedule Number: 4
Sub Schedule Number: 4
Enumeration District: ASKS
Borough: St Pancras
Household Members Age
George Davey 37
Anne Frances Davey 43
Annie Elizabeth Davey 14
Emma Rosetta Popworth 25

Charles and Annie were clearly still together in late 1913 or early 1914., in spite of Ellen being his NOK in August 1914.




Annie Frances Papworth
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Annie Frances Papworth
Electoral Date: 1927
Street Address: 21 Harrison Street
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Pancras
County or Borough: Camden, England

At same address - Charles William Papworth. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

That's the same address as for Ellen Jane in the army record.

Unfortunately the 1914 ER only lists heads of households, so only Charles is listed at 21 Harrison Street.

Strange!

Charles married Ellen Jane in 1894, and she was his NOK in 1914, as shown in Maddie's post above.


BUT Charles was with Annie and the children in 1911 (already posted)

Ellen was in Camberwell Infirmary in 1911 (already posted) - listed as Fisher, but married.

Did he and Ellen separate and then reunite?

Or was Ellen his NOK just because she was his legal wife, and Annie wasn't?

in the UK, British Army World War I Pension Records 1914-1920


Name: Charles Papworth
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1873
Birth Place: St Pancras, Middlesex
Marriage Date: 10 Jun 1894
Marriage Place: St Anne Westminster
Age: 41
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 1171
Regiment Name: 11th (Service) BTN.R.B
Form Title: Army Reserve (Special Reservists) Attestation
Number of Images: 9
Other Records: Search for 'Charles Papworth' in other WWI collections
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Charles Papworth Self (Head)
Ellen Jane Desher Spouse -------- fisher
Charles William Papworth Child
Alfred James Papworth Child
William Francis Papworth Child
Ellen Martha Papworth Child

next of kin
ellen jane fisher 21 harlison st grays inn road london

Charles
Regiment Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort's Own)
Last name Papworth
Unit / Battalion 11th (Service) Battalion
Birth year 1873
Series WO 364
Birth town St Pancras
Series description Wo 364 - First World War Pension Claims
Birth county Middlesex
Archive The National Archives
Birth country England
Record set British Army Service Records
Age 41
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Year 1914
Subcategory First World War
Service number 1171
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

what happened to annie

child of charles and ellen

Eleanor Anne
Mother's first name(s) Ellen Jane
Last name Papworth
Mother's last name Fisher
Birth year 1894
County Middlesex
Birth date 21 Nov 1894
Country England
Baptism year 1898
Archive Westminster Archdiocesan Archives
Baptism date 17 Jun 1898
Document type Baptisms
Church Bavarian Chapel
Records year range 1881-1907
Parish Soho, Warwick Street (Bavarian Chapel), Our Lady of the Assumption & St Gregory
Page 369
Deanery Westminster
Record set England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Diocese Westminster
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Ecclesiastical province Westminster
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s) Charles William
Collections from England, Great Britain
Father's last name Papworth

Helena Anne
Country England
Last name Papworth
Volume 1B
Birth quarter 4
Page 622
Birth year 1894
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Fisher
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District St. Giles
Subcategory Civil Births
County London
Collections from Great Britain, England

what happened to her, not with charles in 1911

British India Office Births & Baptisms
Bangalore,Holy Trinity, Madras

First name(s) Ellen Theresa
Last name Crace
Father's first name(s) James
Father's last name Crace
Mother's first name(s) Emily
Mother's last name -
Birth year 1877
Archive reference N-2-58
Birth date 16 Jun 1877
Folio 216
Baptism year 1877
Page -
Baptism date 5 Jul 1877
Place Bangalore,Holy Trinity
Record set British India Office Births & Baptisms
Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras
Presidency Madras
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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Abode - Ballary
James a Private in the 43rd Light Infantry

James Crace
Chelsea Pensioners Discharge Documents 1760-1887

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First name(s) James
Discharge corps Oxfordshire Light Infantry - 43rd & 52nd Light Infantry
Last name Crace
Document type Discharge
Birth year -
Archive The National Archives
Birth town -
Series Wo 121 - Chelsea: Pensioners' Discharge Documents 1760-1887
Birth county -
Reference WO 121
Service number -
Box 0225
Regiment Oxfordshire Light Infantry - 43rd & 52nd Light Infantry
Record set British Army Service Records
Attestation year -
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Attestation corps -
Subcategory Regimental & Service Records
Discharge date 14 Jan 1879

1896 child is Annie Frances (named after Mother Frances Annie?)

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
EATWELL, ALFRED JAMES CRACE
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 642

EATWELL, ALBERT WILLIAM CRACE
GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 615

EATWELL, JAMES CRACE
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 609

EATWELL, ANNIE FRANCES CRACE
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 606

EATWELL, ALICE MARIA CRACE
GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 627

?? not seeing birth of a James Henry, so possibly correct

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1895 (>99%)
Eatwell James Henry 0 St. Giles 1b 505

Deaths Sep 1897 (>99%)
Eatwell Alice Maria 0 St. Giles 1b 393

Annie's not with the family in 1891 - but her father is a dock porter - so warehouseman seems feasible:

James Crace
in the 1891 England Census
Name: James Crace
Gender: Male
Age: 51
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1840
Spouse: Emily Crace
Child: Emily Crace
Alice Crace
Theresa Crace
Alfred Crace
Birth Place: Lambeth, London, England
Civil Parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Residence Place: Christchurch, London, England
Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: Christchurch Southwark
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 341
Folio: 74
Household Members:
Name Age
James Crace 51 - dock porter
Emily Crace 45
Emily Crace 23
Alice Crace 17
Theresa Crace 14
Alfred Crace 10

Address: 2 Prices Lane.



However, it looks as if this might be Annie's baptism - not in Kilkenny.:

Frances Anne Crace
in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name: Frances Anne Crace
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1872
Birth Place: Millstreet, Cork, Ireland
Baptism Place: Millstreet, Cork, Ireland
Father: John James Crace
Mother: Emily Markham
FHL Film Number: 255855



SR District/Reg Area - Millstreet
Birth of FRANCES CRACE in 1872
Name FRANCES CRACE
Date of Birth 1872
Group Registration ID 11098709
SR District/Reg Area Millstreet

6 June 1872, at Barracks, Millstreet.
Father: John James Crace, Barracks, Millstreet, Sergeant in 43rd Light Infantry
Mother: Emily Crace, formerly Markham

Ancestry suggests this family:

Annie Crace
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Annie Crace
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: James Crace
Mother: Emily Crace
Gender: Female
Where born: (British Subject), East Indies [ IRELAND on image <<<<< ]
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Kings Place
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 559
Folio: 50
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
James Crace 40 - Walworth, pensioner from army
Emily Crace 32 - Ireland
Emily Crace 13 - Channel Islands
James Crace 11 - Ireland
Annie Crace 9
Alice Crace 7 - East India, British subject
Theresea Crace 5 - East India, British subject.