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Maureen
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4 Sep 2021 17:58 |
Please could you kindly help to find the marriage records of my grandparents.My nan was born Annie Crace in 1872 in Ireland. She married Arthur Eatwell around 1891 in England he passed away and she remarried Charles William Papworth approx. 1905 this the marriage i cannot find. any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanking you, Maureen Job.
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ErikaH
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4 Sep 2021 18:05 |
Where have you looked?
Freebmd is the place to start
Are you certain there actually WAS a second marriage? Did it produce any offspring?
When did Eatwell die? And where?
The 1891 marriage is on freebmd. I’m going to let you find it.
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ErikaH
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4 Sep 2021 18:17 |
1891 census has Annie’s birth year as c1867
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malyon
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4 Sep 2021 18:23 |
this must be the marrige but other bride is not listed Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%) JOLLY Charles William St. Ives 3b 651 Scan available - click to view Papworth Charles William St. Ives 3b 651 Scan available - click to view STRINGER Ada St. Ives 3b 651
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malyon
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4 Sep 2021 19:00 |
this looks like annie name mis spelt papwatt
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Charles Papwatt Head Male 38 Lonodn Holborn Annie Papwatt Wife Female 38 Ireland Charles Papwatt Son Male 4 St Pancras, London Alfred Papwatt Son Male 3 St Pancras, London Francis Papwatt Son Male 2 St Pancras, London Images Available To view these images do one of the following: At search.findmypast.co.uk. By clicking here you will be leaving FamilySearch.org (fees and other terms may apply). Record Collection:
England and Wales Census, 1911
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Maddie
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4 Sep 2021 19:08 |
1911 from ancestry
Name: Annie Thomas Papworth Age in 1911: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: Ireland Civil Parish: St Pancras Search Photos: Search for 'St Pancras' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Country: England Street Address: 29 Sidmouth St, Grays Inn Rd W C Marital status: Married Registration District Number: 9 Sub-registration District: South St Pancras ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Piece: 702 Household Members: Name Age Charles William Papworth 38 Annie Thomas Papworth 38 Charles William Papworth 4 Alfred James Papworth 3 Francis William Papworth 2
Charles William Country England Last name Papworth Volume 1B Birth quarter 3 Page 59 Birth year 1906 Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Mother's maiden name Eatwell Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records District Pancras Subcategory Civil Births County London Collections from Great Britain, England
First name(s) Francis William Country England Last name Papworth Volume 1B Birth quarter 1 Page 39 Birth year 1909 Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Mother's maiden name Eatwell Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records District Pancras Subcategory Civil Births County London Collections from Great Britain, England
1939 Name: Annie Papworth Gender: Female Marital Status: Widowed Birth Date: 1873 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 1a Shepherdess Walk Residence Place: Shoreditch, London, England Occupation: Incapacitated Line Number: 15 Schedule Number: 2 Sub Schedule Number: 162 OVSPI: Patient Enumeration District: ATCD Borough: Shoreditch Registration district: 16/1 Household Members Age Emily Rhodes 82 Minnie L Hibbard 67 Rebecca Telford 71 Eleanor Morgan 49 Jean Smith 79 Susan Evans 86 Mary E Flowers 85 Louisa Cockshult 81 Eliza Miller 86 Clara Graham 79
Name Charles W Papworth Gender Male Marital Status Widowed Birth Date 4 May 1873 Residence Year 1939 Address 1. Kings Cross Rd. (Rowton House) Residence Place St Pancras, London, England Occupation Newspaper Newsvende?? Line Number 27 Schedule Number 1 Sub Schedule Number 27 OVSPI Inmate Enumeration District ASLW Residence Place St Pancras Registration district 9/2 Household Members 25
Name: Charles W Papworth Death Age: 66 Birth Date: abt 1873 Registration Date: Oct 1939 [Nov 1939] [Dec 1939] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District: Pancras
cannot see a marriage
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greyghost
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4 Sep 2021 19:13 |
No need to wonder when the first marriage was - find it on this free to use site
https://www.freebmd.org.uk Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%) Crace Annie St. Giles 1b 774 Eatwell Arthur St. Giles 1b 774
St Giles was a Registration district spanning the boundaries of London and Middlesex
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Maddie
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4 Sep 2021 19:14 |
maybe he was already married
Name: Charles William Papworth Gender: Male Marriage Age: 21 Birth Date: abt 1873 Marriage Date: 10 Jun 1894 Marriage Place: St Anne, Soho, London, Westminster, England Parish as it Appears: St Anne's Church, Westminster Search Photos: Search for 'St Anne, Soho' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Father: Charles Papworth Spouse: Ellen Jane Fisher
1911 Name: Ellen Jane Fisher Age in 1911: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 Relation to Head: Patient Gender: Female Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: Camberwell Search Photos: Search for 'Camberwell' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Country: England Street Address: Camberwell Infirmary (Poor Law), Brunswick Square, Camberwell Marital status: Married Years Married: 13 Estimated Marriage Year: 1898 Registration District Number: 27 Sub-registration District: Camberwell North ED, institution, or vessel: 35-38 Piece: 2519 Household Members: Name Age
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ArgyllGran
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4 Sep 2021 19:19 |
The 1905 St Ives marriage posted by Malyon is NOT the correct one.
That Charles Papworth married Ada Stringer, and they are together in 1911, living in Pidley, Hunts., with several children (mmn Stringer).
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malyon
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4 Sep 2021 19:22 |
Deaths Mar 1897 (>99%) Eatwell Arthur 38 Pancras 1b 25
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greyghost
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4 Sep 2021 19:22 |
London Metropolitan Archives (on Ancestry) have this transcribed record -
Name: Annie Crace Gender: Female Marriage Age: 24 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1867 Marriage Date: 27 Jan 1891 Marriage Place: St George, Bloomsbury, Camden, England Father: James Crace Spouse: Arthur Eatwell Register Type: Parish Register
Image of the original shows - Arthur a Widower aged 28. He is a Time Keeper. Father Edwin James Eatwell (deceased) who was a Whitesmith
Annie a 24 year old spinster, no occupation. Father James was a Warehouseman.
Both gave their address as 26 Little Guildford Street
Witnesses Emma ? Mockford and Eleanor ? Weatherall
Both signed and her surname does look like Crace
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ArgyllGran
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4 Sep 2021 19:28 |
Annie Eatwell in the 1891 England Census Name: Annie Eatwell Gender: Female Age: 24 Relationship: Wife Birth Year: 1867 Spouse: Arthur Eatwell Birth Place: Killenney, Ireland <<<<<<<<<<< [Kilkenny, Ireland] Civil Parish: Bloomsbury St George Ecclesiastical parish: Bloomsbury St George Residence Place: Bloomsbury St George, London, England Registration District: St Giles Sub registration district: St George Bloomsbury ED, Institution or Vessel: 4 Neighbors: Piece: 208 Folio: 114 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Eatwell 30 Annie Eatwell 24
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ArgyllGran
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4 Sep 2021 19:36 |
??? A bit early, but maybe she lied about her age to Charles. She was said to be born c1867 when with Arthur:
SR District/Reg Area - Kilkenny Birth of ANNE GRACE in 1864 Name ANNE GRACE Date of Birth 1864 [ 10 May 1864 ] Group Registration ID 8288515 SR District/Reg Area Kilkenny
Father: James Grace, Freshford, pensioner East India Service. Mother: Bridget Grace, formerly Gorman
James Grace in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901 Name: James Grace Gender: Male Marital Status: Married Age: 79 Birth Date: abt 1822 Birth Place: Co Kilkenny Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901 House Number: 4 Residence Place: Chapel Street, Freshford, Kilkenny, Ireland Relation to Head: Head of Family (Head) Occupation: Army Pensioner East India Compy Artiltery Religion: Roman Catholic Literacy: Read and write Household Members Age Relationship James Grace 79 Head of Family (Head) Bridget Grace 78 Wife
EDIT: No, can't be this family.
Annie's father was a warehouseman on her marriage record in 1891.
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malyon
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4 Sep 2021 19:44 |
1911 census say annie had 5 children 3 died 2 living
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ArgyllGran
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4 Sep 2021 19:52 |
Ancestry suggests this family:
Annie Crace in the 1881 England Census Name: Annie Crace Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Relationship to Head: Daughter Father: James Crace Mother: Emily Crace Gender: Female Where born: (British Subject), East Indies [ IRELAND on image <<<<< ] Civil Parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 3 Kings Place Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration District: St Olave Southwark Sub registration district: Leather Market ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: Piece: 559 Folio: 50 Page Number: 40 Household Members: Name Age James Crace 40 - Walworth, pensioner from army Emily Crace 32 - Ireland Emily Crace 13 - Channel Islands James Crace 11 - Ireland Annie Crace 9 Alice Crace 7 - East India, British subject Theresea Crace 5 - East India, British subject.
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ArgyllGran
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4 Sep 2021 20:01 |
Annie's not with the family in 1891 - but her father is a dock porter - so warehouseman seems feasible:
James Crace in the 1891 England Census Name: James Crace Gender: Male Age: 51 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1840 Spouse: Emily Crace Child: Emily Crace Alice Crace Theresa Crace Alfred Crace Birth Place: Lambeth, London, England Civil Parish: Christchurch Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Residence Place: Christchurch, London, England Registration District: St Saviour Southwark Sub registration district: Christchurch Southwark ED, Institution or Vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 341 Folio: 74 Household Members: Name Age James Crace 51 - dock porter Emily Crace 45 Emily Crace 23 Alice Crace 17 Theresa Crace 14 Alfred Crace 10
Address: 2 Prices Lane.
However, it looks as if this might be Annie's baptism - not in Kilkenny.:
Frances Anne Crace in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 Name: Frances Anne Crace Gender: Female Birth Date: 6 Jun 1872 Birth Place: Millstreet, Cork, Ireland Baptism Place: Millstreet, Cork, Ireland Father: John James Crace Mother: Emily Markham FHL Film Number: 255855
SR District/Reg Area - Millstreet Birth of FRANCES CRACE in 1872 Name FRANCES CRACE Date of Birth 1872 Group Registration ID 11098709 SR District/Reg Area Millstreet
6 June 1872, at Barracks, Millstreet. Father: John James Crace, Barracks, Millstreet, Sergeant in 43rd Light Infantry Mother: Emily Crace, formerly Markham
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greyghost
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4 Sep 2021 20:07 |
1896 child is Annie Frances (named after Mother Frances Annie?)
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: EATWELL, ALFRED JAMES CRACE GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 642
EATWELL, ALBERT WILLIAM CRACE GRO Reference: 1892 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 615
EATWELL, JAMES CRACE GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 609 EATWELL, ANNIE FRANCES CRACE GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 606 EATWELL, ALICE MARIA CRACE GRO Reference: 1897 S Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 627
?? not seeing birth of a James Henry, so possibly correct
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Mar 1895 (>99%) Eatwell James Henry 0 St. Giles 1b 505 Deaths Sep 1897 (>99%) Eatwell Alice Maria 0 St. Giles 1b 393
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greyghost
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4 Sep 2021 20:08 |
James Crace Chelsea Pensioners Discharge Documents 1760-1887
Copy to clipboard First name(s) James Discharge corps Oxfordshire Light Infantry - 43rd & 52nd Light Infantry Last name Crace Document type Discharge Birth year - Archive The National Archives Birth town - Series Wo 121 - Chelsea: Pensioners' Discharge Documents 1760-1887 Birth county - Reference WO 121 Service number - Box 0225 Regiment Oxfordshire Light Infantry - 43rd & 52nd Light Infantry Record set British Army Service Records Attestation year - Category Military, armed forces & conflict Attestation corps - Subcategory Regimental & Service Records Discharge date 14 Jan 1879
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greyghost
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4 Sep 2021 20:25 |
British India Office Births & Baptisms Bangalore,Holy Trinity, Madras
First name(s) Ellen Theresa Last name Crace Father's first name(s) James Father's last name Crace Mother's first name(s) Emily Mother's last name - Birth year 1877 Archive reference N-2-58 Birth date 16 Jun 1877 Folio 216 Baptism year 1877 Page - Baptism date 5 Jul 1877 Place Bangalore,Holy Trinity Record set British India Office Births & Baptisms Catalogue descriptions Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Madras Presidency Madras Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from Great Britain, UK None brightsolid online publishing ltd. © Findmypast
From original - Abode - Ballary James a Private in the 43rd Light Infantry
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Maddie
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5 Sep 2021 10:27 |
child of charles and ellen
Eleanor Anne Mother's first name(s) Ellen Jane Last name Papworth Mother's last name Fisher Birth year 1894 County Middlesex Birth date 21 Nov 1894 Country England Baptism year 1898 Archive Westminster Archdiocesan Archives Baptism date 17 Jun 1898 Document type Baptisms Church Bavarian Chapel Records year range 1881-1907 Parish Soho, Warwick Street (Bavarian Chapel), Our Lady of the Assumption & St Gregory Page 369 Deanery Westminster Record set England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms Diocese Westminster Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Ecclesiastical province Westminster Subcategory Parish Baptisms Father's first name(s) Charles William Collections from England, Great Britain Father's last name Papworth
Helena Anne Country England Last name Papworth Volume 1B Birth quarter 4 Page 622 Birth year 1894 Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Mother's maiden name Fisher Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records District St. Giles Subcategory Civil Births County London Collections from Great Britain, England
what happened to her, not with charles in 1911
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