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Julie
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31 Aug 2021 13:43 |
Further update - having started to look at the siblings of Francis Boys, I've discovered that older brother William seems to have gone to the US . Still digging for records on him, but he had a son Henry born in England in 1856, having married in 1855 in Lincolnshire. He appears to have lost his first wife at some point and married again the US in about 1860. I haven't yet found him in a similar location to John Wilson, so none of this so far proves a definiate link between the 2, but it isn't uncommon for more than one family member to make the journey across the pond.
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ErikaH
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30 Aug 2021 17:04 |
Sorry, wasn’t aware of a name change
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Julie
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30 Aug 2021 16:41 |
Erika, I did, but if he was visiting family he would have been likely to have used his "old" name and I've seen quite a lot of census docs with the wrong martial status.
I feel the Martha Wilson on the marriage cert for 1867 is "my" Martha, everything fits. The Martha who died in Washington US is definitely "my" Martha, she has the right parents on the death record and I have DNA matches to 2 of her descendants in the US. Quite a few marriage and death records for the children have her as wife of John Wilson with maiden name Wilson. So, unless having married on 20 May 1867 in Sleaford, she lost/parted from Francis Boys, remarried to a John Wilson, all before her first daughter was born on 15th August 1868, Francis Boys and John Wilson have to be the same man.
I'd agree that the name change is not absolutely proven, but I think it unlikely irrefutable evidence is likely to exist. If anyone has any suggestions, thoughts, I'd welcome them.
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ErikaH
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30 Aug 2021 16:10 |
Did you read Argyll Gran's comments when she posted the 1911?
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Julie
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30 Aug 2021 14:34 |
Having received the marriage certificate for Francis Boys to Martha Wilson I am quite convinced it relates to "my" Martha. It has the "right" father's name, has her resident in Digby (her birthplace), aged 19, with John Willson as a witness - she had a brother John. Francis also has the "correct" father's name and occupation for the Francis bapt in Sleaford in 1836, his age is slightly different at 29, but was maybe an attempt to reduce the age gap or just a miscalculation. They married at the Register Office.
I wonder if the Frank Boys on the 1911 census is him returning to England for a visit - he is shown as a visitor? The 1910 US census has him as a corn labourer.
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2021 21:08 |
Can't see Francis's death either!
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2021 14:53 |
Ah! Possibly Francis in 1911 ??
Frank Boys in the 1911 England Census Name: Frank Boys Age in 1911: 72 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation to Head: Visitor Gender: Male Birth Place: Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Swineshead Street Address: Swineshead Bridge Marital status: Widowed Occupation: General Labourer On Farm Registration District Number: 415 Sub-registration District: Kirton ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Piece: 19566 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Howiss 82 [ Harriss ] Frank Boys 72
Elizabeth Harriss was probably Francis's sister - see Eliza in 1841 census already posted.
Elizabeth Harriss in the 1891 England Census Name: Elizabeth Harriss Gender: Male Age: 61 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1830 Child: Georgania S Harriss John Hy Harriss Birth Place: Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Swineshead Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Residence Place: Swineshead, Swineshead, Lincolnshire, England Registration District: Boston Sub registration district: Swineshead ED, Institution or Vessel: 2 Neighbors: Piece: 2576 Folio: 14 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Harriss 61 Georgania S Harriss 26 - daughter John Hy Harriss 22 - son Herbert S Harriss 12 - grandson
HARRISS, GEORGIANA PICKLES mmn BOYS GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in BOSTON Volume 07A Page 377
HARRISS, JOHN HENRY mmn BOYES GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in BOSTON Volume 07A Page 391
Marriages Mar 1851 (>99%) Boys Eliza Boston 14 347 Harriss William Boston 14 347
Eliza Boys in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Eliza Boys Gender: Female Marriage Date: 13 Mar 1851 Marriage Place: Swineshead, Lincoln, England Father: John Boys Spouse: William Harriss FHL Film Number: 1542374 Reference ID: p 96
Elisa Harriss in the 1851 England Census Name: Elisa Harriss Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Harriss Gender: Female Where born: Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Extraparochial County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Boston Sub-registration District: Boston ED, institution, or vessel: 04d, 07, 08 and 09 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 6 Piece: 2099 Folio: 629 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age William Harriss 31 Elisa Harriss 20
Unless John Wilson, at the age of c72, whizzed back to the UK between the US 1910 and the UK 1911 censuses, resumed his old name and lied about his marital status, it doesn't look as if John could have been Francis Boys. I don't see a likely travel record under either name.
But I can't see Francis, or his wife, between 1867 and 1911. There's no death of a Martha Boys in Lincolnshire during that time.
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2021 14:01 |
Francis Boys in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Francis Boys Gender: Male Baptism Date: 25 Feb 1836 Baptism Place: New Sleaford,Lincoln,England Father: John Boys Mother: Susannah FHL Film Number: 508039
Ancestry's suggestions following on from the baptism above include references to John Wilson - but that's maybe only because of the Ancestry trees which mention him.
Francis was born (or at least baptised) in February, as was John - though a year apart.
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2021 13:48 |
Presumably Francis with parents & siblings in 1841:
Francis Boys in the 1841 England Census Name: Francis Boys Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Gender: Male Where born: Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: New Sleaford Hundred: Flaxwell County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Sleaford Sub-registration District: Sleaford Neighbors: Piece: 622 Book: 12 Folio: 32 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age John Boys 30 Susan Boys 30 Eliza Boys 10 William Boys 6 Francis Boys 4 Mary Boys 2
And 1851:
Frances Boys in the 1851 England Census Name: Frances Boys Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Boys Mother's Name: Susanna Boys Gender: Male Where born: Sleaford, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Swineshead Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Boston Sub-registration District: Boston ED, institution, or vessel: 04d, 07, 08 and 09 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 11 Piece: 2099 Folio: 632 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age John Boys 48 Susanna Boys 47 William Boys 18 Frances Boys 15 Mary A Boys 13 Susanna Boys 8 Elizabeth Boys 6
He's not with the family in 1861.
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2021 13:42 |
When I looked at the Francis Boys marriage a couple of days ago, I thought this might have been them in 1880, in which case they couldn't be your couple - but on closer inspection I see that this Martha was born in Canada, and so were all the children - and in any case, the older ones were born before 1867 . Posting just to eliminate:
Francis Bos in the 1880 United States Federal Census Name: Francis Bos Age: 43 Birth Date: Abt 1837 Birthplace: England Home in 1880: Edson, Chippewa, Wisconsin, USA Dwelling Number: 59 Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Self (Head) Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Martha Bos Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Occupation: Farmer Neighbors: Household Members Age Relationship Francis Bos 43 Self (Head) Martha Bos 39 Wife - Canada Ada Bos 19 Daughter Harrie Bos 18 Son Annie Bos 10 Daughter Mabel Bos 4 Daughter
I don't see the Sleaford Boys couple anywhere in England after their marriage.
But as they married in 1867 - that would mean John Wilson was lying about his immigration year - if he's the same person.
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Julie
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22 Aug 2021 11:19 |
Thanks ArgyllGran, I was looking at Annie last night and picked up on her 2 marriages. Fredrick died in 1905 and she married Oscar in 1909. Some of her siblings seem to have married twice, but not because their spouse died, whether they went through a formal divorce before marrying again is another matter. The family seem to have been in a wide range of states, so what the laws were at the various times and places would take a bit of sorting out!
I've found another rather strange thing, whether it is co-incidence or not has yet to be revealed. There is a marriage in Lincolnshire in 1867, the year the couple indicate they married on one US census, between a Francis Boys (the suggested birth name of John Wilson is Francis Boyd) and a Martha Wilson. It looks like its a Reg Office or Non-conformist marriage, so no scan available. I'm about to order a copy cert and see what that reveals. I am now seriously wondering if the couple married before going to the US and adopted Martha's surname for some reason - it might sort of explain the death record that has mother as Martha Boyd. Boys and Boyd are so similar it seems too close not to follow up. It also set me wondering whether the official death entry for John Wilson might be under his birth name - next task is to have a look.
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ArgyllGran
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22 Aug 2021 09:55 |
Interesting snippet re Ida/Eda/Annie Elisa (and following through on the records, yes, Ida was Annie ) -
She married Oscar Ward in1909. Because Oscar was Swedish, under the US Expatriation Act of 1907 Annie had to take her husband's nationality, even though she was born and lived in the USA.
In 1924 she applied to become an American citizen again:
Mrs Annie Eliza Ward in the Washington, U.S., Petitions for Naturalization, 1860-1991 Name: Mrs Annie Eliza Ward Record Type: Declaration Birth Date: 4 Sep 1871 Birth Place: State of Wisconsin USA Declaration Place: Thurston, Washington, USA Spouse: Oscar Ward
"The U.S. Expatriation Act of 1907 mandated that all women acquired their husband’s nationality upon marriage. As a result, American women who married foreign-born men in the United States between 1907 and 1922 lost their U.S. citizenship." "Ohio Congressman John L. Cable sponsored legislation to give American women “equal nationality and citizenship rights” as men. The Cable Act of 1922 resolved the situation for couples marrying in or after that year." "After 1922, women who thought they had lost citizenship by marriages due to the 1907 act had to file a petition for naturalization if they wished to regain it." https://www.sassyjanegenealogy.com/women-lost-u-s-citizenship-when-marrying/
In 1924 Annie is described as "white", with dark complexion, black hair and grey eyes, 5' 4", 126 pounds, DOB 4th Sept 1871.
Before she married Oscar, she had been married to Frederick Hallin/Hallen, another Swede, and had at least three children with him. Alice Charlotte/Charlotta Hallin 1889, Herman Henry Hallin 1891 , Charles Erving Hallin 1893. Frederick died in 1905 of Bright's Disease.
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Julie
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21 Aug 2021 20:52 |
Thanks LondonBelle, I'm part way through tracking the children after they left home. There are several trees online for the family, but most are a bit short of sources to back the up the "facts". I'm trying to piece together the supported facts, check those sources (some are a load of rubbish) and establish which unsupported facts I can find something for. It's a learning curve as I've had little experience of searching for US records. I've also found a suggestion that John Wilson wasn't his birth name, but an alias, nothing to back it up, but another quirk I need to explore. This is going to keep me out of mischief for a while I think!
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21 Aug 2021 17:25 |
I found an Obituary for Roy in 1965, he died aged 77 on 11 May 1965 in Camano Island. He had been employed by The North Pacific Railroad. It said then that he was born on 7 Sep 1887 in Kansas. He moved to Camano Island in 1962 and before that he had lived in Centralia since 1922; he married his wife Nella Blunt in 1922. Four sisters survived him Mrs Sue Hansom, Vancouver BC; Mrs Gertrude Harden, Orcas or Oreas Island; Mrs Minnie Rowe, Everett and Mrs Leila Kelliher, Shelton.
Hope the above is of interest
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LondonBelle
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21 Aug 2021 17:07 |
The Washington Digital Archives that Argyll found is very interesting site.
You can view all of the Death Certificates for the period 1910-1920, all you have to do is click on the last right hand column.
https://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Search#1
I haven't been able to find any Death Certificate for your John though. It does state, however, that not all the records have been scanned and indexed.
Martha's is there under Willson but you already have that.
There is a wealth of other information and images which you might like to look through though to see if there is any reference to John.
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ArgyllGran
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20 Aug 2021 14:11 |
There are three possible immigration records, assuming travel in 1866 - but immigration dates vary from one census to another. 1900 says 1856. All three men are labourers - but most men were in those days.
John Wilson in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957 Name: John Wilson Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: British (English) Age: 28 Birth Date: abt 1838 Place of Origin: Great Britain Departure Port: London, England Destination: Great Britain Arrival Date: 14 Aug 1866 Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA Ship Name: Rhine
John Wilson in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957 Name: John Wilson Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Age: 28 Birth Date: abt 1838 Place of Origin: England Departure Port: Liverpool, England Destination: England Arrival Date: 27 Dec 1866 Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA Ship Name: City of Boston
John Wilson in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957 Name: John Wilson Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: English Age: 28 Birth Date: abt 1838 Place of Origin: England Departure Port: Liverpool, England Destination: USA Arrival Date: 7 Aug 1866 Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA Ship Name: City of Boston
Narrowing it down a bit, your John was born in February 1837, according to the 1900 census, which was correct re Martha's birth ( August 1848).
1910 census says John & Martha had been married for 43 years, and 1900 says they married in 1867 - therefore (if correct) after arrival in USA.
Not that any of that is any help!
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Julie
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20 Aug 2021 11:21 |
ArgyllGran - yes I noticed that, but the church record of her death does state that she was married to John Wilson and I've come across a few other US death certs that don't have all the fields completed, when the information would in theory have been known to the informant.
Still more to be done on this line, I live in hopes of being able to uncover more about John.
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ArgyllGran
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20 Aug 2021 09:59 |
It's interesting that John is not named as Martha's husband on her death cert.
The informant is their daughter Minnie
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9JQ-7Z52?i=1875.
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Julie
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20 Aug 2021 09:29 |
ArgyllGran - the death record for Annie E Ward is the only record that I have come across so far that has Martha as Boyd not Wilson. The inference I now have is that Annie and Ida are the same person. DNA evidence supports this I think. Since I started this post I have found 2 different DNA matches at 5-8th cousin level, both with trees that have Martha as Boyd, The 2 matches are direct descendants of different children of John and Martha, one of those matches is descended from Annie. I'm no expert on DNA, so might post on a separate board to clarify whether my thinking on this is right.
One of the matches has a death for John in Ontario Canada in 1912, but I found the actual record for that on familysearch and I don't believe its him - the age is wrong and it has that John as a widower.
I've reached out to both matches and had an inital response from one of them.
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ArgyllGran
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20 Aug 2021 09:07 |
The Martha Boyd question is probably the fault of Ancestry's "suggestions", which tend to lead the unwary on to a couple named John Wilson and Martha Boyd who were in Washington County , and who had a daughter Anna Eliza born in Wisconsin in 1872 (birthplace per 1910 census).
The daughter died in Snohomish, which is a further complicating coincidence.
Annie E. Ward in the Washington, U.S., Select Death Certificates, 1907-1960 Name: Annie E. Ward [Annie E. Wilson] Gender: Female Marital status: Married Age: 67 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Death Date: 8 Jun 1939 Death Place: Snohomish, Snohomish, Washington Father: John Wilson Mother: Martha Boyd Spouse: Oscar Ward FHL Film Number: 2023568 Reference ID: 211
Your John & Martha had a daughter Ida (per 1880 census ) in Wisconsin in the same year +/-1 as Annie's birth - and Ancestry suggests lots of links to Annie. I don't see any other mention of Ida.
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