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31 Jul 2021 16:57 |
Following on from AG's last post, there is a WADE connection with 4, Poplar Row Newington, in 1861.
Namely Mary Ann Wilcock/Wilcox, nee WADE, father AMOS WADE, a deceased upholsterer, her birthplace is recorded as Marylebone.
In 1861 Mary Ann is living at 4, Poplar Row Newington, with her husband and family (mistranscribed Wilcork)
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, Poplar Row, Newington, London & Surrey, England
Edward Wilcork Head Married Male 32 1829 Tailor Southwark, Surrey, England (EDWIN on the image) ****Mary Ann Wilcork Wife Married Female 30 1831 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England**** Emily Wilcork Daughter - Female 13 1848 Scholar Southwark, Surrey, England Alice Wilcork Daughter- Female 7 1854 Scholar Southwark, Surrey, England George Wilcork Son- Male 5 1856 Scholar Southwark, Surrey, England Amelia Wilcork Daughter - Female 2 1859 Scholar Southwark, Surrey, England Emelia Wilcork Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Southwark, Surrey, England
There is this marriage for Mary Ann and Edwin in 1846:
Name: Mary Ann Wade Gender: Female Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 8 May 1848 Marriage Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England Father: Amos Wade Spouse: Edwin Wilcox Register Type: Parish Register
Mary Ann's father is deceased, Amos Wade, an upholsterer. Edwin is a Tailor, as per the 1861 census, and his father is Thomas Wilcox, a tailor.
The witnesses are GEORGE WADE, and ?? Gawler? (illeg)
Mary Ann's age is a bit iffy. She is 'of full age' ie over 21 in 1848, so born before 1827, but aged 30 in 1861, so born c1830. Birthplace, as said before, Marylebone.
No idea what relation Mary Ann is to George Edward Fauxcroft Wade, possibly sister, given birthplace and period, (EDIT but father not named Edward) but could be a more distant connection.
EDIT Have looked at her Wilcox census records 1851,71, 81, and unfortunately there is no sign of Mary Ann's mother staying with the Wilcox family.
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31 Jul 2021 17:05 |
Possible workhouse record for Mary Ann, but a fairly common name. Mother cannot keep her acct of limited means
Name: Mary Ann Wade Admission Age: 14 Record Type: Admission Birth Date: abt 1829 Admission Date: 29 Jul 1843 Admission Place: Westminster, St Marylebone, London, England
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31 Jul 2021 17:51 |
Re this entry
London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Name: George Wade Admission Age: 14 Discharge Age: 14 Record Type: Admission and Discharge Birth Date: abt 1830 Admission Date: 23 Jan 1844 Admission Place: Westminster, St Marylebone, London, England Discharge Date: 21 Mar 1844 Discharge Place: Westminster, St Marylebone, London, England
Below George Wade on the image, is Mary Ann Wade aged 15. He is from Newington, can't make out her abode, I think it's St Mary New. London.
This record below is a different register. It has Mary Ann aged 15, being admitted on Jan 24th from St Mary Newington as destitute. Further up the page a George Wade was admitted on 23rd Jan from Newington , aged 14, no employment.
Name: Mary Ann Wade Admission Age: 15 Record Type: Admission Birth Date: abt 1829 Admission Date: 24 Jan 1844 Admission Place: Westminster, St Marylebone, London, England
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31 Jul 2021 18:04 |
There are discharge records for George and Mary Ann wade from the records above ( I hadn't scrolled far enough over)
George was discharged 21st March 1844 To Sea Service.
Mary Ann was discharged 1st Feb 1844. No note of where she was headed.
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Colin
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2 Aug 2021 16:43 |
Reference the discharge info for George mentioned above, are there records of ' Sea Service' and does anyone know where this might have taken place. Not sure how this would fit in with his sailing to Australia on enlisting with the 11th Reg of Footjust 4 years later. Thanks
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2 Aug 2021 17:39 |
Posting just in case relevant - though it's a common name:
George Wade in the UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910 Name: George Wade Age: 16 Birth Year: abt 1829 Registration or Indenture Date: 23 Apr 1845 (mistranscription - see below) Vessel: Moor
On image - Date of indenture: 6/7/1842. Date of enrolment of indenture: 28/4/1845 Term: 5 years. Name of party to whom bound: T Symons. Indenture expires 6/7/1847
In the "Remarks " column it says Colchester, but I don't know what that signifies - whether that boy was born there, or had registered there, or T Symons was based there, or what.
Expiry of indenture in 1847 would allow for enlisting in the 11th Reg. in 1848.
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Colin
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6 Aug 2021 12:11 |
Hi following on from Kucinta's info any 4 Poplar Row and Wade connection in 1861 census, I have found a letter from a researcher going back pre internet!! which show a 4 Poplar Row North and south. The Wade/Wilcork family lived in North AND there is a constable David Davies and 9 others living in 4 Poplar Row south. Cannot get up an image of this census return. Can anyone help me with this please. Thanks
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ErikaH
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6 Aug 2021 12:51 |
Which site are you using to search?
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Kucinta
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6 Aug 2021 13:01 |
I'll pm you the census image, as more than one household is involved and they are transcribed separately.
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6 Aug 2021 13:08 |
EDIT, I assume Colin would have looked into her when he checked out the census image, though?
This lady, Susan Cole lived with the Wilcox family, but listed as a separate household, so had missed her on the transcription.
First name(s) Susan Last name Colo Relationship Head Marital status Widow Sex Female Age 70 Birth year 1791 Birth town - Birth county Suffolk Birth county as transcribed SUFFOLK Birth place other England Occupation Allowance from home office Full address 4, Poplar Row, Newington, London & Surrey, England House number 4 Street Poplar Row Parish Newington County London, Surrey Country England Registration district Newington Sub district 1 Trinity Newington Enumeration district 11 Parliamentary borough or division Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish or district Trinity Family member last name Colo Family member first name(s) Susan
COLE. on image
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Kucinta
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6 Aug 2021 13:09 |
The other 4, Poplar Row
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, Poplar Row, Newington, London & Surrey, England
William Painter Head Married Male 21 1840 Shoe clicker Newington, Surrey, England Eliza Painter Wife Married Female 21 1840 - Newington, Surrey, England
The mistranscribed Davies family
David Danes Head Married Male 37 1824 Police constable Stock, Essex, England Harriett Danes Wife Married Female 33 1828 - Bookham, Surrey, England Eliza M Danes Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Newington, Surrey, England Caroline Danes Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Newington, Surrey, England
Edward Lee Head Married Male 37 1824 Coach body maker St Martins, Middlesex, England Maria Lee Wife Married Female 37 1824 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Lucy Sophia Lee Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Newington, Surrey, England
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6 Aug 2021 13:21 |
Yet, another 4 Poplar Row, not linked to abode of Willcox/Cole or Davies/Painter/Lee families on the census image
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, Poplar Row, Newington, London & Surrey, England
John Maseall Head Married Male 42 1819 Labourer London, Middlesex, England Susan Maseall Wife Married Female 43 1818 - London, Middlesex, England Susan Maseall Daughter - Female 13 1848 - London, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Maseall Daughter - Female 11 1850 - London, Middlesex, England Maryan Maseall Daughter - Female 7 1854 - London, Middlesex, England
And another, not linked on census image to any of previous households and their abode...
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, Poplar Row, Newington, London & Surrey, England
George Sanders - Unmarried Male 39 1822 Box maker Walworth, Surrey, England Jane Thomas Lodger Unmarried Female 20 1841 Purrier London, Middlesex, England Elizabeth Thomas - Unmarried Female 9 1852 - London, Middlesex, England
They must have had some weird numbering in that street!
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Kucinta
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6 Aug 2021 13:37 |
David Davies wife Harriet was nee Peters
Name: Harriott Peters Gender: Female Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 27 Aug 1850 Marriage Place: Holy Trinity, Newington, Southwark, England Father: Simon Peters Spouse: David Davies Register Type: Parish Register
David Davies a police constable on the marriage register image.
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Kucinta
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7 Aug 2021 10:15 |
Just to confirm that George did enlist in the 11th Foot, as he is with them on the 1851, British Army worldwide index.
It's a shame there are no enlistment papers etc for him; it would have been interesting to see how his signature compared with that of the witness George Wade on the 8th May 1848 marriage of Mary Ann Wade as previously posted.
That signature does differ, certainly on the 'Wade' part, from the signature of George Wade who married Elizabeth Smith on 28th Nov 1859.
However if 1848 George was George Edward Fauxcroft Wade, he was still in his teens, and his signature may have developed as he matured in the following years.
Any signatures on his police records would naturally more likely to be akin to that on his 1859 marriage.
First name(s) George Last name Wade Year 1851 Service number 2626 Rank Private Regiment or unit 11th (The North Devonshire) Regiment Of Foot Name as transcribed George Period 01/01/1851-31/03/1851 Location Sydney, Australia The National Archives reference WO 12/2881 Record set British Army, Worldwide Index 1851 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Subcategory Regimental & Service Records Collections from Great Britain, UK None
EDIT The National Archives have some muster lists and payrolls, not yet digitised, relating to the 11th Foot.
They may list a soldier's
enlistment dates movements discharge dates
But sadly no more detail than that.
11th Foot 1st Battalion
Ordering and viewing options
This record has not been digitised and cannot be downloaded.
You can order records in advance to be ready for you when you visit Kew. You will need a reader's ticket to do this. Or, you can request a quotation for a copy to be sent to you.
Reference: WO 12/2880 Description:
11th Foot 1st Battalion Date: 1849 - 1850 Held by: The National Archives, Kew Legal status: Public Record(s) Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
https://tinyurl.com/388t229d
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Colin
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30 Aug 2021 19:14 |
Hi. I have revisited the suggestion by Kayak that my George Edward Fauxcroft Wade and his father Edward Fauxcroft Wade may have a connection with Edward Foxcroft and wife Elizabeth who had a son George Edward Foxcroft.
I noticed that date of birth given for George E Foxcroft is 23/4/1829. I then checked hand written notes past down from my grandfather who original put together the tree as I now have it and he writes that the date of birth of George Edward Fauxcroft Wade is 23/4/1830. Though exactly 1 year out I have the thought that the Edward Foxcroft and George Edward Foxcroft mentioned by Kayak are indeed my EF Wade and GEFWade.
Either the surname Wade was added after the christening or it was omitted at some point prior..
Have tried to disprove my own theory but cannot find any evidence to negate the idea. Also it doesn't explain how Foxcroft became Fauxcroft, though I have seen reference to Faxcroft which is only a stroke away from Foxcroft.
I need some help with this please. Thank you.
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ArgyllGran
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30 Aug 2021 23:56 |
There was no standardisation of spelling in those days.
Names were spelled in whatever way the clerk thought it should be spelled, and therefore can vary from one document to another..
Most people were illiterate and wouldn't have any idea of how to spell their names in any case.
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ErikaH
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31 Aug 2021 12:09 |
Another factor was the pronunciation - dialects were much stronger than is the case nowadays.
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ErikaH
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11 Sep 2021 17:01 |
Earliest available census is 1841
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