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The closed record with William and Ann Knubley in 1939 will be (and looks like, from the little one can see) their son Kenneth.


EDIT:

Now I see that I've already said that on your earlier thread:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1378394

Did you obtain Gertrude/Kathleen's probable death cert as suggested on that thread, to be sure that was the right person?

In a PM to me at that time, you said " yes I do have all the details for Kathleen's death".
But does that mean you actually have the death cert?

It does look like her death in 1936 , posted on the other thread - Gertrude F West.

you say peter was born in 1926 so would have been 13yrs in 1939 so would not be at war at that age

Yes thank you. So the newspaper article was correct and it was the ER that hadn't been updated. Thank goodness there was that article or we would all have thought he was still alive after 1933.

I'm glad you've finally managed to lay him to rest, so to speak.

Thanks for letting us know, Jane!

Hi

I would like to thank everyone that has helped me in my search trying to trace my husband's grandfather. I have been looking for him since 2007. I have written to many organisations including Lambeth Palace as he was a vicar, and many other places too.

Thank you ArgyIIGran, I sent for his death certificate with the certificate information that you kindly gave me. Yes it's him, as the informant is correct. Also cause of death was also correct, as it was said that he suffered from kidney disease. On the death certificate cause of death was kidney disease and heart failure.

So I just want to thank you all once again for your help and guidance, you are all brilliant, I couldn't have found this out without you I have now placed the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle into place.

Jane

AG
I had looked too and couldn't find him for sure, so thought I'd post the link.

Unfortunately, he doesn't!

It'll be interesting to know what the death cert says.

If Alfred / Fred was a postman, he should feature on this list on Ancestry

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/1933/

Thank you all for your help.

I have now sent for a death certificate. I will keep you up to date with what I find out.

Jane

In that case, either the 1931 death is correct, and the ER wasn't updated.
Or the 1931 death is not his - but it probably is, as there isn't another Frederick West death in London around that time, of roughly the right age

Also bear in mind that an age stated on a death cert is only as accurate as the informant believes it is. Alfred/Frederick didn't necessarily lie about his age.

You do need the death cert.

Looking back at my many emails about Alfred.

This is everything that I know about him from his family.

He was born Alfred Robert Shaw on June 8th in 1883 in Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire. We think that he died around 1937, he would have been 54.

When I was looking for Alfred I came across his great niece on another site who was also searching for him. I have been in contact with her now for a while. Alfred's great niece told me that he became a postman in Cricklewood and is buried in Willesden, she new that for a fact, as the information had come from a family member.

Alfred's great niece also told me that her great aunt, thought that Alfred died around about 1937, as Alfred's mother died in 1938 and she went to find his grave just before she died.

Alfred's great niece told me that Alfred's great aunt went with Alfred's mother to Cricklewood, and then onto Willesden to the cemetery to find his grave. They did not find it, either because it was too new and no headstone had been arranged, or as not many people had headstones then as they were very expensive. They do know he died in hospital. What I have said has come from Alfred's family, so I know that this much is true.

As the Kensington Post states his death year as 1931, I think that Alfred must have given a wrong birth date deliberately when he when into hospital, as he really was trying to cover his tracks, like his change of name.

In your opening post you stated,
"We think that they then went to London were Alfred become a postman. Alfred and Kathleen lived in Broadway, Cricklewood."

Do you have proof that they lived there?

Is it possible that the Kathleen and Frederick in Broadway are a different couple?

Oh dear this may be a problem. This is the electoral role.

Name: Kathleen West
Electoral Date: 1933
Street Address: 169a BROADWAY
Ward or Division/Constituency: Willesden East
County or Borough: Willesden, England

With a Frederick West.

I'm definitely confused now. Have checked and double checked the newspaper clipping and everything is correct but this is 1933 and the same address.
I think you really have to order that death certificate.

Everyone that has answered your question is an enthusiastic amateur.

Have you tried the search members trees options to see if any of the names crop up?

The 1939 register was complied in September 1939 so is it really likely that Peter was already fighting in Belgium? He may have joined up and been barracks - in which case he would not appear in the register.

Just a thought, as you have found all this information out so quickly, is it possible that you are you a family member, a descendant from either Alfred or Gertrude.

If so it would really be nice to hear from you?

Or are you a researcher that knows just where to look?

Jane

Thanks also for the piece on William and Ann Knubley, Peter would not have been on the 1939 Register as he would have been away in Belgium at war.

Thanks

Jane

Before you go back to Willesden contact the council’s Cemetery Officer to get the burial plot number as there may not be a headstone.

Details on the death cert may confirm if that's the right death - spouse's name; informant's name, etc:

Deaths Sep 1931
West Frederick 44 London C. 1c 11

Hi

Thanks so much for getting back to me, I am so excited. The only thing is, that 1931 is not the correct death year. I have his baptism record showing the year as 1883.

But the Kensington post has dated his death as August 1931. If he was 44 when he died that would make his death year 1937, which is what we though it was roughly. I am wondering that as well as changing his name he may have given an incorrect birth date at the hospital as he still didn't want to be found.

As I didn't have a death year or even know what name he was buried under I didn't know where or when to start looking. But I have been searching through all death records between 1930 and 1938 under the different names for Alfred since 2007, even writing to Lambeth Palace for information about when he was a priest.

So thank you so much for this, and I am going to take this as correct. Except that Alfred must have lied about his age.

Once again thank you so much, and as soon as we are able my husband and I will be making another trip to Willesden Cemetery.

regards

Jane

1939 Register
41 Harbord Street, Liverpool, Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Household members (2 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
William Knubley 05 Apr 1911 Male Stamp Dresser Rope Works Heavy Worker Single 93 3
Ann Knubley 28 Jan 1920 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 93 2

There is a closed record under their names but from the bits I can see I don't think it can be Peter West.