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The national burial Index has a record for a William Selby in 1835, giving him a birth year of c1773, which would tally with the marriage of William Selby senior and Esther Seaton the previous year. Not found a baptism yet for William jr.

First name(s) William
Last name Selby
Birth year 1773
Age 62
Death year 1835
Burial year 1835
Burial date 12 Feb 1835
Place Sheffield
Church St Paul
Denomination Anglican
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England

The news article alviegal mentioned said Anne Seby Spite's father had died at Spalding when she was a child.

It also said she could not pursue the inheritance because her brother William was the heir; by the time he died and the claim became hers it was deemed the other party had been in possession so long "that he could not now be disturbed". The selby Lowndes had taken possession of Whaddon Hall in the early 1780s.

Father Willia seems to have died before Anne's baptism in 1880?

First name(s) William
Last name Selby
Sex Male
Birth year 1749
Burial year 1779
Age 30
Burial date 29 Sep 1779
Church St Mary & St Nicolas
Place Spalding St Mary St Nicolas
County Lincolnshire
Country England

Possible marriage for William and Esther 8 miles away at Holbeach?

First name(s) William
Last name Selby
Sex Male
Birth year -
Marriage year 1772
Marriage date 12 Oct 1772
Marriage place Holbeach All Saints
Church All Saints
Spouse's first name(s) Esther
Spouse's last name Seaton
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Archive Lincolnshire Archives
Page 143
Record set Lincolnshire Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Possible baptism?

Ann
Last name Selby
Sex Female
Birth year -
Baptism year 1780
Baptism date 02 Apr 1780
Church St Mary St Nicolas
Place Spalding St Mary St Nicolas
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Esther
County Lincolnshire
Country England
Archive Lincolnshire Archives

1851 for the Hall.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Whaddon Hall, Whaddon, Winslow, Buckinghamshire,

Household members (23 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ann Carter Servant Unmarried Female 16 1835 Nursery girl Shenley, Buckinghamshire, England

>Clara Hartman Sister in law Unmarried Female 30 1821 Gentlewoman landed proprietor London, London, England

Mary Ann Horne Servant Unmarried Female 22 1829 Kitchen maid London, London, England

Hannah Quick Servant Unmarried Female 17 1834 Scullery maid Whaddon, Buckinghamshire, England

Emma Kedward Servant Unmarried Female 20 1831 House maid London, London, England

Ann Teagle Servant Unmarried Female 23 1828 Under house maid Winslow, Buckinghamshire, England

Emma Newman Servant Married Female 30 1821 Laundress Winslow, Buckinghamshire, England

Sarah George Servant Unmarried Female 19 1832 Nursery girl Northampton, Northamptonshire, England

>Florence Selby Lowndes Daughter Female 9 1842 Scholar London, London, England

Phillis Hobbs Servant Unmarried Female 20 1831 Laundress Shenley, Buckinghamshire, England

>William Selby Lowndes Head Married Male 40 1811 Landed proprieter esq occupying 500 employing 22 men 3 boys justice of peace Winslow, Buckinghamshire, England

>Lucy Selby Lowndes Daughter Female 11 1840 Scholar London, London, England

>Octavius Selby Lowndes Son Male 5 1846 Scholar London, London, England

>Beresford Selby Lowndes Son Male 7 1844 Scholar London, London, England

>Fleetwood Selby Lowndes Son Male 12 1839 Scholar London, London, England

>William Selby Lowndes Son Male 14 1837 Scholar at home London, London, England

>Essex Selby Lowndes Daughter Female 15 1836 Scholar at home London, London, England

>Lucy Selby Lowndes Wife Female 40 1811 - London, London, England

>Cresida Selby Lowndes Daughter Female 10 1841 Scholar London, London, England

Mary Smith Cook Married Female 25 1826 Cook London, London, England

John Shepherd Servant Unmarried Male 23 1828 Butler London, London, England

Thomas Judge Servant Unmarried Male 17 1834 Footman Whaddon, Buckinghamshire, England

Mark Kerr Visitor Unmarried Male 40 1811 Curate tattenhoe, jp Farnham, Surrey, England

Have a read of this as well.

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/speight/760/

Another thread of Mandy's, in which she says Ann was born 1780 in Grantham, Lincs.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=826654.0

Re William Lowndes -


Lowndes had children with each of his wives, 25 children in all. His offspring were also fruitful: one son had 16 children, including four sets of twins in four years; a grandson had 10 children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lowndes_(1652%E2%80%931724)

Too many to investigate here, I think!

Ooh, very interesting! Although presumably it was decided that she wasn't, after all.


Whaddon Hall is a country house in Whaddon, Buckinghamshire. It is a Grade II listed building.
The first manor house was built on the site in the 11th century. The present house was built in 1820, replacing a house which was demolished in the late 18th century. It was once home to the Selby family (also known as Selby-Lowndes), whose ancestor William Lowndes built the larger and grander Winslow Hall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaddon_Hall

Interesting?

DEATHS - On the 3rd inst., at Bolsover, William Spite, eldest son of the late Ann Selby Spite, who at one time was thought be the rightful heiress ot the Whaddon Hall estates in Buckinghamshire.
09 April 1870 - Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald - Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England


Following on from that


On the morning of the 4tb October, died Bolsover, after a short illness, at very advanced age, Anne Spite, who, although supported by parish relief, was the rightlul heiress of large estates. The circumstances of her family history are curious.
17 October 1856 - Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal - Derby, Derbyshire, England


Will send you the clipping but Ann was not 'descended from gentle blood.' Her father stayed in Spalding, Lincs where she was born and her brother, William was a weaver in Sheffield. When he died she became heiress to the estate. An ancestor had married into money and bought the estate and when the last Selby in Whaddon died, he left it to a neighbour in trust. The Selbys where from Yorkshire but the Whaddon family had not kept in touch with them.

Ann married a poor labourer by the name of Spite and had a large family. She tried to claim her inheritance but did not succeed as too much time had passed and the Selby Lowndes were considered the owners. They had added Selby to their name.

There is absolutely no proof that Ann Selby of Lenton is the one who married in Bolsover.

I think she's probably another red herring, picked on by a tree owner just because of her name, and age as given in the 1851 census .

This is far more likely to be the marriage of the Lenton woman:

Ann Selby
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Ann Selby
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 10 Nov 1810
Marriage Place: Lenton,Nottingham,England
Spouse: William Haslam
FHL Film Number: 462987, 503787, 504502


I don't think you'll ever know where Ann of Bolsover was born, or who her parents were, Mandy

Not all baptism records have survived (or existed in the first place).

this could be thr fathers birth

Thomas Selby
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name:
Thomas Selby
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
5 Oct 1751
Christening Place:
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Christening Place (Original):
Lenton, Nottingham, England
Father's Name:
John Selby
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Margaret
Mother's Sex:
Female

parents marriage

Name Thomas Selby
Sex Male
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Eaton
Spouse's Sex Female
Marriage Date 2 Aug 1772
Marriage Place Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Marriage Place (Original) Lenton, Nottingham, England

Name Thomas Selby
Sex Male
Christening Date 25 Mar 1773
Christening Place Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Christening Place (Original) Lenton, Nottingham, England
Father's Name Thomas Selby
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Elizabeth


David Selby
Sex:
Male
Death Date:
22 Jan 1786
Christening Date:
11 Sep 1785
Christening Place:
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Christening Place (Original):
Lenton, Nottingham, England
Father's Name:
Thomas Selby
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

William Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
22 February 1778
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Henry Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
21 January 1787
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
death:
6 July 1787
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Ann Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
17 August 1783
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

John Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
17 March 1776
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Adam Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
7 February 1780
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Mary Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
20 June 1790
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
death:
13 February 1791
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Betty Selby person(s)
View the record details
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
26 December 1774
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Ann Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
17 August 1783
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

John Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
17 March 1776
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Adam Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
7 February 1780
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Mary Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
20 June 1790
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
death:
13 February 1791
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Betty Selby person(s)
View the record details
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
26 December 1774
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

this is on familysearch

Name William Spike
Sex Male
Marriage Date 19 Jan 1801
Marriage Place Bolsover, Bolsover, Derbyshire, England
Spouse's Name Ann Selby
Spouse's Sex Female
Ann Selby's Spouses and Children
William Spike
Husband

Son
M

Event Type Burial
Name Thomas
Sex Male
Death or Burial Date 19 Feb 1815
Death or Burial Place Bolsover, Bolsover, Derbyshire, England
Father's Name Wm Spite
Mother's Name Ann Spite


Child

Name Saml
Christening Date 16 Feb 1819
Christening Place Bolsover, Bolsover, Derbyshire, England
Father's Name Wm Spite
Mother's Name Ann Spite

there seems to be a tree on family seach who has her born 1783 lenton nottinghamshire

Ann
Last name Selby
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1783
Baptism date 17 Aug 1783
Place Lenton
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Selby
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth

but fmp suggests she married 1810 in lenton

george
George
Last name Spite
Name note -
Marriage year 1845
Marriage date 12 May 1845
Marriage place Bolsover
Father's first name(s) William -------------
Father's last name Spite
Spouse's first name(s) Hannah
Spouse's last name Briggs
Spouse's age -
Spouse's father's first name(s) George
Spouse's father's last name Briggs
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Street, Bolsover, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Stephen Shacklock Male 45 1796 Derbyshire, England
Curtis Shacklock Female 6 1835 Derbyshire, England
John Hutton Male 25 1816 -
Francis Mosley Male 25 1816 Derbyshire, England
Ann Spite Female 60 1781 -
George Spite Male 25 1816 Derbyshire, England

1851 says where born - not known