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Hi I'm in need of help to find Ann Selby parents she was born 1783 but that's only as I found out due to her death it says how old she was. I can not seem to find where she was born and who her parents and siblings if any. I do know she married William spight in 1801 Bolsover and lived there til she died. Any help would be great thank you
Regards mandy

Welcome to the boards, Mandy.

For our reference - what records have you found her on? Where did she die?

Is this her?

Ann Spite
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Ann Spite
[Ann Spight or Spyett]
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1783
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Ripon, Nottinghamshire, England ["Not known" on image ]
Civil Parish: Bolsover
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Chesterfield
Sub-registration District: Bolsover
ED, institution, or vessel: 3c
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 26
Piece: 2148
Folio: 77
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Spite 68 - widow, lodging house keeper
Ann Hardy 76 - widow, lodger, pauper and gamekeeper's wife

She is on three trees on Ancestry - two are private.
The public one says she was born in 1776 in Bolsover, and mentions the marriage on 18 Jan 1801.

Wm. Spite
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Wm. Spite
Sex: Male
Spouse's Name: Ann Selby
Spouse's Sex: Female
Marriage Date: 19 Jan 1801
Marriage Place: Bolsover, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
Marriage Place (Original): Bolsover, Derby, England




The tree claims they had a son, John, born in 1806 in Bolsover.
It says he married Ann Unwin on 24 Dec 1829 in Bolsover, and they had a daughter Mary, in 1837 in Bolsover.

John Spite
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: John Spite
Sex: Male
Christening Date: 12 Jan 1806
Christening Place: Bolsover, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original): Bolsover, Derby, England
Father's Name: William Spite
Father's Sex: Male
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Sex: Female


John Spite
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: John Spite
Sex: Male
Spouse's Name: Ann Unwin
Spouse's Sex: Female
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1829
Marriage Place: Bolsover, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
Marriage Place (Original): Bolsover, Derby, England





Mary Spite
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Mary Spite
Sex: Female
Christening Date: 12 Mar 1837
Christening Place: Bolsover, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original): Bolsover, Derby, England
Father's Name: John Spite
Father's Sex: Male
Mother's Name: Ann
Mother's Sex: Female

Is this the death you found? - though it would make her YOB 1778, not 1783 as you've suggested

SPITE, ANN 78
GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD UNION IN THE COUNTY OF DERBY Volume 07B Page 287

As well as the son John in 1806, William and Ann also had Charles 20/03/1808, Thomas 10/07/1814, William 31/08/1802, and Esther 06/04/1804 .

Sadly, there are burial records for Esther, Thomas, and David (born 1812, though I can't find his baptism) - all buried in Feb 1815.


A tree on Ancestry (actually, I think it's your tree - Mandy Smith?) claims Ann was born 30 Nov 1778 in Yorkshire.
Parents: William and Easter (Esther) Ann Selby.

However, it's impossible to tell if people in what records are offered as "proof" are actually the same Ann and her family.

I suspect the tree owner(you ?) has latched on to the mistranscription of her birthplace in the 1851 census.
The tree claims that her father was born in London, married in Holbeach, Lincolnshire, had Ann in Yorkshire, and died in Grantham, Lincolnshire.
Another supposed daughter is said to have been baptised in South Cerney, Gloucestershire, about 140 miles away from Grantham.
I'm afraid it all sounds like someone (you?) grabbing at any record for people with convenient names.

Apologies if I'm wrong!




Don't know if this is her in 1841 or not - can't find the birth of a son George (which doesn't mean she didn't have one).
If this is her, it indicates that she was born in Derbyshire, which certainly seems probable.

Ann Spike
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Ann Spike
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Bolsover
Hundred: Scarsdale
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Chesterfield
Sub-registration District: Bolsover
Neighbors:
Piece: 193
Book: 13
Folio: 8
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Spike 60
George Spike 25

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Street, Bolsover, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Stephen Shacklock Male 45 1796 Derbyshire, England
Curtis Shacklock Female 6 1835 Derbyshire, England
John Hutton Male 25 1816 -
Francis Mosley Male 25 1816 Derbyshire, England
Ann Spite Female 60 1781 -
George Spite Male 25 1816 Derbyshire, England

1851 says where born - not known

george
George
Last name Spite
Name note -
Marriage year 1845
Marriage date 12 May 1845
Marriage place Bolsover
Father's first name(s) William -------------
Father's last name Spite
Spouse's first name(s) Hannah
Spouse's last name Briggs
Spouse's age -
Spouse's father's first name(s) George
Spouse's father's last name Briggs
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages

Son
M

Event Type Burial
Name Thomas
Sex Male
Death or Burial Date 19 Feb 1815
Death or Burial Place Bolsover, Bolsover, Derbyshire, England
Father's Name Wm Spite
Mother's Name Ann Spite


Child

Name Saml
Christening Date 16 Feb 1819
Christening Place Bolsover, Bolsover, Derbyshire, England
Father's Name Wm Spite
Mother's Name Ann Spite

there seems to be a tree on family seach who has her born 1783 lenton nottinghamshire

Ann
Last name Selby
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1783
Baptism date 17 Aug 1783
Place Lenton
County Nottinghamshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Selby
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth

but fmp suggests she married 1810 in lenton

this is on familysearch

Name William Spike
Sex Male
Marriage Date 19 Jan 1801
Marriage Place Bolsover, Bolsover, Derbyshire, England
Spouse's Name Ann Selby
Spouse's Sex Female
Ann Selby's Spouses and Children
William Spike
Husband

Ann Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
17 August 1783
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

John Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
17 March 1776
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Adam Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
7 February 1780
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Mary Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
20 June 1790
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
death:
13 February 1791
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Betty Selby person(s)
View the record details
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
26 December 1774
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Ann Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
17 August 1783
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

John Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
17 March 1776
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Adam Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
7 February 1780
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Mary Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
20 June 1790
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
death:
13 February 1791
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Betty Selby person(s)
View the record details
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
26 December 1774
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Name Thomas Selby
Sex Male
Christening Date 25 Mar 1773
Christening Place Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Christening Place (Original) Lenton, Nottingham, England
Father's Name Thomas Selby
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Elizabeth


David Selby
Sex:
Male
Death Date:
22 Jan 1786
Christening Date:
11 Sep 1785
Christening Place:
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Christening Place (Original):
Lenton, Nottingham, England
Father's Name:
Thomas Selby
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth

William Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
22 February 1778
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

Henry Selby
Principal
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:
21 January 1787
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
death:
6 July 1787
father:
Thomas Selby
mother:
Elizabeth

parents marriage

Name Thomas Selby
Sex Male
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Eaton
Spouse's Sex Female
Marriage Date 2 Aug 1772
Marriage Place Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Marriage Place (Original) Lenton, Nottingham, England

this could be thr fathers birth

Thomas Selby
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name:
Thomas Selby
Sex:
Male
Christening Date:
5 Oct 1751
Christening Place:
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Christening Place (Original):
Lenton, Nottingham, England
Father's Name:
John Selby
Father's Sex:
Male
Mother's Name:
Margaret
Mother's Sex:
Female

There is absolutely no proof that Ann Selby of Lenton is the one who married in Bolsover.

I think she's probably another red herring, picked on by a tree owner just because of her name, and age as given in the 1851 census .

This is far more likely to be the marriage of the Lenton woman:

Ann Selby
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Ann Selby
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 10 Nov 1810
Marriage Place: Lenton,Nottingham,England
Spouse: William Haslam
FHL Film Number: 462987, 503787, 504502


I don't think you'll ever know where Ann of Bolsover was born, or who her parents were, Mandy

Not all baptism records have survived (or existed in the first place).

Interesting?

DEATHS - On the 3rd inst., at Bolsover, William Spite, eldest son of the late Ann Selby Spite, who at one time was thought be the rightful heiress ot the Whaddon Hall estates in Buckinghamshire.
09 April 1870 - Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald - Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England


Following on from that


On the morning of the 4tb October, died Bolsover, after a short illness, at very advanced age, Anne Spite, who, although supported by parish relief, was the rightlul heiress of large estates. The circumstances of her family history are curious.
17 October 1856 - Derbyshire Advertiser and Journal - Derby, Derbyshire, England


Will send you the clipping but Ann was not 'descended from gentle blood.' Her father stayed in Spalding, Lincs where she was born and her brother, William was a weaver in Sheffield. When he died she became heiress to the estate. An ancestor had married into money and bought the estate and when the last Selby in Whaddon died, he left it to a neighbour in trust. The Selbys where from Yorkshire but the Whaddon family had not kept in touch with them.

Ann married a poor labourer by the name of Spite and had a large family. She tried to claim her inheritance but did not succeed as too much time had passed and the Selby Lowndes were considered the owners. They had added Selby to their name.

Ooh, very interesting! Although presumably it was decided that she wasn't, after all.


Whaddon Hall is a country house in Whaddon, Buckinghamshire. It is a Grade II listed building.
The first manor house was built on the site in the 11th century. The present house was built in 1820, replacing a house which was demolished in the late 18th century. It was once home to the Selby family (also known as Selby-Lowndes), whose ancestor William Lowndes built the larger and grander Winslow Hall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaddon_Hall

Re William Lowndes -


Lowndes had children with each of his wives, 25 children in all. His offspring were also fruitful: one son had 16 children, including four sets of twins in four years; a grandson had 10 children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lowndes_(1652%E2%80%931724)

Too many to investigate here, I think!

Another thread of Mandy's, in which she says Ann was born 1780 in Grantham, Lincs.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=826654.0

Have a read of this as well.

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/speight/760/