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Terence
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25 Jun 2021 19:01 |
Sorry to all. Got totally mixed up.
Terry L.
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jun 2021 18:40 |
Etherley Lane, birthplace of Ellen Ovington in 1901 census is less than 2 miles away from Escomb, birthplace (per 1881 census) of Ellen Liddle, daughter of John & Margaret J. - nee Naisbitt. [Margaret written as Mary by mistake in 1881 ]
The other Ellen, daughter of John & Mary Ann (nee Robson) , was born in Waterhouses, which is nearly 10 miles away from Etherley Lane.
LIDDLE, ELLEN mmn ROBSON GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 436
Of course you need the Ovington marriage cert to be sure, but on balance, geographically, it seems likely that Ellen Ovington is the Escomb child - daughter of John & Margaret, with the siblings your opening post was about.
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Maddie
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25 Jun 2021 17:15 |
fmp suggests the ellen who married matthew was this
Ellen Last name Liddle Gender Female Birth year - Birth place - Baptism year 1874 Baptism date 28 Jul 1874 Residence Durham, England Place Crook County Durham Country England Father's first name(s) John Father's last name Liddle Mother's first name(s) Mary Mother's last name - Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
ties up with the birth reg in s quarter mmn naisbitt
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Maddie
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25 Jun 2021 17:06 |
the ellen ovington in 1901 says she was born etherley which is part of auckland
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ErikaH
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25 Jun 2021 16:52 |
You said you couldn’t see Ellen after 1881…………..and the 1901 isn’t Ellen, it’s MARGARET J
Also, Ellen was born C1875…NOT 1885
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25 Jun 2021 16:46 |
is this john in 1901 Name: John Liddle Age: 58 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Chilton, Durham, England Civil Parish: Esh Search Photos: Search for 'Esh' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Town: Esh Winning County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration District: Lanchester Sub-registration District: Lanchester ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: Piece: 4674 Folio: 88 Page Number: 18 Household Schedule Number: 104 Household Members: Name Age John Liddle 58 Margaret J Liddle 17
no ellen with them in 1891 either
could be the waterhuse ellen
only marraige cert can be conclusive
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Terence
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25 Jun 2021 16:26 |
Hi, again. Surely the marriage to Matthew Ovington in 1894 is not the Ellen Liddle I am researching as she is shown as 17 years old with her Father John Liddle in 1901 at Albert Terrace in Esh, Lanchester.
Terry L.
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Maddie
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25 Jun 2021 16:21 |
OVINGTON, JOHN LIDDLE GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 422
OVINGTON, MATTHEW LIDDLE GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in LANCHESTER Volume 10A Page 398
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Terence
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25 Jun 2021 16:02 |
Thank you to all you researchers. I was beginning to think she may have died, as she doesn't seem to appear anywhere after the 1901 Census in Esh with her Father John, now a Widower. Terry L.
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ErikaH
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25 Jun 2021 15:38 |
Ancestry suggests that she married Matthew Ovington
Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%) Liddle Ellen Durham 10a 578 Ovington Matthew Dover Durham 10a 578
and died in Canada
Name: Ellen Ovington Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1875 Death Age: 84 Death Date: 11 Apr 1959 Death Location: Hope Registration Number: 1959-09-006843 BCA Number: B13242 GSU Number: 2033299
Is this her birth?
LIDDLE, ELLEN NAISBITT GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 299
Yes, it is
LIDDLE, GRACE NAISBIT GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 195
Name: Ellen Ovington Gender: Female Racial or Tribal Origin: English Nationality: Canada Marital Status: Married Age: 47 Birth Year: abt 1874 Birth Place: England Year of Immigration: 1908 Residence Date: 1 Jun 1921************************************ House Number: 158 Residence Street or Township: Collettville Residence City, Town or Village: Merritt Residence District: Cariboo Residence Province or Territory: British Columbia Residence Country: Canada Relation to Head of House: Wife Spouse's Name: Mathew Ovington Father Birth Place: England Mother Birth Place: England Can Speak English?: Yes Can Speak French?: No Religion: Church Of England Can Read?: Yes Can Write?: Yes Municipality: Merritt Enumeration District: 14 Sub-District: Merritt (City) and Middlesboro Settlement Sub-District Number: 51 Enumerator: Reginald G. Eagles Neighbors: View others on page Line Number: 34 Family Number: 160 Household Members Age Relationship Mathew Ovington 49 Head Ellen Ovington 47 Wife Matthew Ovington 20 Son Henry Ovington 7 Son Margaret Ovington 6 Daughter David Ovington 3 Son Jean Ovington 3 Daughter
The only way to be certain is to invest in a copy of the 1894 marriage cert
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Maddie
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25 Jun 2021 15:35 |
waterhouse ellen
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Ellen Liddle Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relationship to Head: Daughter Mother: Mary Ann Liddle Gender: Female Where born: Waterhouses, Durham, England Civil Parish: Esh County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: 80 Smoky Row Quebec Education: Employment status: View image Registration District: Lanchester ED, institution, or vessel: 10a Neighbors: Piece: 4946 Folio: 99 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age Mary Ann Liddle 38 George Liddle 18 Mary Liddle 17 Hannah Liddle 12 Ellen Liddle 7 John Petty 21
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25 Jun 2021 15:30 |
Ellen isn't with her parents in 1891
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ErikaH
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25 Jun 2021 15:14 |
Where have you looked?
Have you used freebmd?
The 1875 death can't be relevant
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Maddie
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25 Jun 2021 15:10 |
Name: George Liddle Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Death Registration Place: Auckland, Durham, United Kingdom Death Date: Sep 1882 Inferred Death Place: Durham, United Kingdom Volume: 10a Page: 103
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25 Jun 2021 15:08 |
for ref
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Wear Terrace, Escomb, Auckland, Durham, England View original record Household members (7 people) First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Liddle Head Married Male 38 1843 Labourer (genl) Chilton, Durham, England Mary J Liddle Wife Married Female 36 1845 Labourers wife Durham, England William Liddle Son Single Male 17 1864 Labourer Escomb, Durham, England Grace Liddle Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar South Church, Durham, England Joseph Liddle Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Escomb, Durham, England Ellen Liddle Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Escomb, Durham, England George Liddle Son Single Male 4 1877 - Escomb, Durham, England
maybe Ellen Last name Liddle Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1875 Age 0 Death quarter 3 Death year 1875 District Durham County Durham Volume 10A
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Terence
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25 Jun 2021 14:48 |
Hi. Found both in 1881 Census as children of John and Margaret J. Liddle living at Wear Tce. Escomb, Durham. I can't seem to trace them after that. Any help would be appreciated. Yours, Terry. L.
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