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Ellen(6) and George(4) Liddle.

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Terence

Terence Report 25 Jun 2021 14:48

Hi. Found both in 1881 Census as children of John and Margaret J. Liddle living at Wear Tce. Escomb, Durham. I can't seem to trace them after that. Any help would be appreciated.
Yours, Terry. L.

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jun 2021 15:08

for ref

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Wear Terrace, Escomb, Auckland, Durham, England
View original record
Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Liddle Head
Married Male 38 1843 Labourer (genl) Chilton, Durham, England
Mary J Liddle Wife
Married Female 36 1845 Labourers wife Durham, England
William Liddle Son
Single Male 17 1864 Labourer Escomb, Durham, England
Grace Liddle Daughter
Single Female 12 1869 Scholar South Church, Durham, England
Joseph Liddle Son
Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Escomb, Durham, England
Ellen Liddle Daughter
Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Escomb, Durham, England
George Liddle Son
Single Male 4 1877 - Escomb, Durham, England

maybe
Ellen
Last name Liddle
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1875
Age 0
Death quarter 3
Death year 1875
District Durham
County Durham
Volume 10A

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jun 2021 15:10

Name: George Liddle
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Death Registration Place: Auckland, Durham, United Kingdom
Death Date: Sep 1882
Inferred Death Place: Durham, United Kingdom
Volume: 10a
Page: 103

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Jun 2021 15:14

Where have you looked?

Have you used freebmd?

The 1875 death can't be relevant

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Jun 2021 15:30

Ellen isn't with her parents in 1891

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jun 2021 15:35

waterhouse ellen

in the 1881 England Census

Name: Ellen Liddle
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Mother: Mary Ann Liddle
Gender: Female
Where born: Waterhouses, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Esh
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 80 Smoky Row Quebec
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration District: Lanchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 10a
Neighbors:
Piece: 4946
Folio: 99
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Liddle 38
George Liddle 18
Mary Liddle 17
Hannah Liddle 12
Ellen Liddle 7
John Petty 21

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Jun 2021 15:38

Ancestry suggests that she married Matthew Ovington

Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%)
Liddle Ellen Durham 10a 578
Ovington Matthew Dover Durham 10a 578

and died in Canada

Name: Ellen Ovington
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1875
Death Age: 84
Death Date: 11 Apr 1959
Death Location: Hope
Registration Number: 1959-09-006843
BCA Number: B13242
GSU Number: 2033299

Is this her birth?

LIDDLE, ELLEN NAISBITT
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 299

Yes, it is

LIDDLE, GRACE NAISBIT
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 195


Name: Ellen Ovington
Gender: Female
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: Canada
Marital Status: Married
Age: 47
Birth Year: abt 1874
Birth Place: England
Year of Immigration: 1908
Residence Date: 1 Jun 1921************************************
House Number: 158
Residence Street or Township: Collettville
Residence City, Town or Village: Merritt
Residence District: Cariboo
Residence Province or Territory: British Columbia
Residence Country: Canada
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Mathew Ovington
Father Birth Place: England
Mother Birth Place: England
Can Speak English?: Yes
Can Speak French?: No
Religion: Church Of England
Can Read?: Yes
Can Write?: Yes
Municipality: Merritt
Enumeration District: 14
Sub-District: Merritt (City) and Middlesboro Settlement
Sub-District Number: 51
Enumerator: Reginald G. Eagles
Neighbors: View others on page
Line Number: 34
Family Number: 160
Household Members Age Relationship
Mathew Ovington
49 Head
Ellen Ovington 47 Wife
Matthew Ovington
20 Son
Henry Ovington
7 Son
Margaret Ovington
6 Daughter
David Ovington
3 Son
Jean Ovington
3 Daughter

The only way to be certain is to invest in a copy of the 1894 marriage cert

Terence

Terence Report 25 Jun 2021 16:02

Thank you to all you researchers. I was beginning to think she may have died, as she doesn't seem to appear anywhere after the 1901 Census in Esh with her Father John, now a Widower.
Terry L.

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jun 2021 16:21

OVINGTON, JOHN LIDDLE
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 422

OVINGTON, MATTHEW LIDDLE
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in LANCHESTER Volume 10A Page 398

Terence

Terence Report 25 Jun 2021 16:26

Hi, again. Surely the marriage to Matthew Ovington in 1894 is not the Ellen Liddle I am researching as she is shown as 17 years old with her Father John Liddle in 1901 at Albert Terrace in Esh, Lanchester.

Terry L.

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jun 2021 16:46

is this john in 1901
Name: John Liddle
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Chilton, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Esh
Search Photos: Search for 'Esh' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Esh Winning
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Lanchester
Sub-registration District: Lanchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors:
Piece: 4674
Folio: 88
Page Number: 18
Household Schedule Number: 104
Household Members:
Name Age
John Liddle 58
Margaret J Liddle 17

no ellen with them in 1891 either

could be the waterhuse ellen

only marraige cert can be conclusive

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 25 Jun 2021 16:52

You said you couldn’t see Ellen after 1881…………..and the 1901 isn’t Ellen, it’s MARGARET J

Also, Ellen was born C1875…NOT 1885

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jun 2021 17:06

the ellen ovington in 1901 says she was born etherley which is part of auckland

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Jun 2021 17:15

fmp suggests the ellen who married matthew was this

Ellen
Last name Liddle
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1874
Baptism date 28 Jul 1874
Residence Durham, England
Place Crook
County Durham
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Liddle
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

ties up with the birth reg in s quarter mmn naisbitt

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 25 Jun 2021 18:40

Etherley Lane, birthplace of Ellen Ovington in 1901 census is less than 2 miles away from Escomb, birthplace (per 1881 census) of Ellen Liddle, daughter of John & Margaret J. - nee Naisbitt.
[Margaret written as Mary by mistake in 1881 ]


The other Ellen, daughter of John & Mary Ann (nee Robson) , was born in Waterhouses, which is nearly 10 miles away from Etherley Lane.

LIDDLE, ELLEN mmn ROBSON
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in DURHAM Volume 10A Page 436


Of course you need the Ovington marriage cert to be sure, but on balance, geographically, it seems likely that Ellen Ovington is the Escomb child - daughter of John & Margaret, with the siblings your opening post was about.

Terence

Terence Report 25 Jun 2021 19:01

Sorry to all. Got totally mixed up.

Terry L.