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For those of you kind enough to help with this, I thought you'd be interested in Edmund's will which I had yesterday. He was a farmer who owned a pub and he left only the furniture in his house to his (second) wife. Everything else - his property, land and the Prince Of Wales Inn - he left to his son-in-law. He left nothing to his biological family. I'd love to know why but he's taken that to his grave!

Annie

Gosh, you're on the ball! That looks spot on, thank you. The pub was the Prince Of Wales in Princetown. Was that on FMP? He may well have tweaked his age a bit.

Annie

His age is only as he gave it - even so, somewhat older than his bride, so he may have 'adjusted' it.

His death

HOWELLS, EDMUND 75
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in CRICKHOWELL Volume 11B Page 77

and burial

First name(s) Edmund
Last name Howells
Age 75 Years
Birth year 1809
Residence Prince Town
Death year 1884
Burial year 1884
Burial date 18 Jul 1884
Church St Sannan
Place Bedwellty
Minister S. John
County Monmouthshire
Country Wales
Position Vicar

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The marriage cert is here and gives Edmund's father as John Howells (deceased). The address of the farm is correct, he was a farmer and a publican and other details are as I thought except that it gives his age as 53 which means he was born in 1816 and not in 1809 as appears on other documents. Ann was 43 and a widow, living at the same address.

Annie

The area he was born in changed districts from Breconshire to Monmouthshire (Bedwellty). The parish was Llangynidr. It's all very confusing. It's my area and I'm often confused by it! I've ordered the marriage cert for Edmund and Ann Thomas in 1869. Thank you all for your help.

Annie

Are you sure he was born in Bedwelty? 1841 and 1871 says Breconshire. They are pretty close.



Event Type: Census
Name: Edmund Howells
Sex: Male
Age: 30
Event Date: 1841
Event Place: Llangynidr, Breconshire, Wales, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Llangunider, Breconshire, Wales
Registration District: Crickhowell
Birth Year (Estimated): 1807-1811
Birthplace: Breconshire
Page Number: 17
Piece/Folio: 1366/18
Registration Number: HO107


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Edmund Howells M 30 Breconshire
Mary Howells F 20
Edmund Howells M 1 Breconshire
Margaret Howells F 0 Breconshire
Anne Howells F 15 Breconshire
Eliza Lewis F 25
Sarah Thomas F 20 Breconshire
Noah Evans M 25 Breconshire
Edward Jenkins M 20







Event Type: Census
Name: Edmund Howells
Sex: Male
Age: 42
Event Date: 1851
Event Place: Llangunider, Breconshire, Wales
Registration District: Crickhowell
Birth Year (Estimated): 1809
Birthplace: Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Butcher And Innkeeper
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Page Number: 29
Piece/Folio: 2490 / 67
Registration Number: HO107


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Edmund Howells Head M 42 Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Mary Anne Howells Wife F 34 Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Edward Howells Son M 12 Llangunider, Brecknockshire
Anne Howells Daughter F 6 Llangunider, Brecknockshire
Jemima Howells Daughter F 4 Llangunider, Brecknockshire
Sarah Howells Daughter F 1 Llangunider, Brecknockshire
Thomas Davies Servant M 50 Llangerig, Montgomeryshire

Event Type: Census
Name: Edmund Howells
Sex: Male
Age: 52
Event Date: 1861
Event Place: Llangynidr, Breconshire, Wales, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Llangunider, Brecknockshire, Wales
Registration District: Crickhowell
Birth Year (Estimated): 1809
Birthplace: Monmouth Bedwellty,
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Inn Keeper & Victualler
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Page Number: 43
Piece/Folio: 4216 / 113
Registration Number: RG09


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Edmund Howells Head M 52 Monmouth Bedwellty,
Mary A Howells Wife F 44 Monmouth Bedwellty,
Margaret Howells Daughter F 20 Llangunider, Breconshire
Jemima Howells Daughter F 14 Llangunider, Breconshire
Sarah Howells Daughter F 12 Llangunider, Breconshire
Keziah Howells Daughter F 10 Llangunider, Breconshire
John B Howells Son M 2 Llangunider, Breconshire
Margaret Price Servant F 21 Dowlish, Glamorganshire

Household ID: 4504097
Line Number: 1
Digital Folder Number: 101820062
Microfilm Number: 101820062
Image Number: 00191



Event Type: Census
Name: Edmund Howells
Sex: Male
Age: 62
Event Date: 1871
Event Place: Llangynidr, Breconshire, Wales, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original): Llangunider, Brecknockshire, Wales
Sub-District: Llangunider
Enumeration District: 6
Birth Year (Estimated): 1809
Birthplace: Langunider, Breconshire
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farmer
Relationship to Head of Household: Head


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Edmund Howells Head M 62 Langunider, Breconshire
Ann Howells Wife F 46 Merthyr, Glamorganshire
Edmund Howells Son M 32 Langunider, Breconshire
John R Howells Son M 15 Langunider, Breconshire
Cicilia Thomas Mother-In-Law F 90 Veinor, Breconshire
Margaret A Thomas Stepdaughter F 17 Dowlais, Glamorganshire
David S Thomas Stepson M 13 Dowlais, Glamorganshire
Richard W Thomas Stepson M 11 Langunider, Breconshire
Catherine J Thomas Stepdaughter F 8 Langunider, Breconshire

Household ID: 14
Entry Number: 24
Digital Folder Number: 004412677
Microfilm Number: 000850873
Image Number: 00621
Indexing Batch: N04423-3


Event Type: Census
Name: Edmund Howells
Sex: Male
Age: 72
Event Date: 1881
Event Place: Llangunider, Breconshire, Wales
Registration District: Crickhowell
Birth Year (Estimated): 1809
Birthplace: Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, England
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farmer Of 40 Acres Employing 1 Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Page Number: 31
Piece/Folio: 5463/98
Registration Number: RG11


Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Edmund Howells Head M 72 Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, England
Ann Howells Wife F 55 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire, Wales
David Thomas Stepson M 22 Llangunider, Brecknockshire, Wales
Catherine Thomas Stepdaughter F 18 Llangunider, Brecknockshire, Wales
Elizabeth Harris Servant F 14 Blaina, Monmouthshire, England

Household ID: 5260551
Line Number: 1
Digital Folder Number: 101775494
Microfilm Number: 101775494
Image Number: 00480


Rose

No father named on 1836 marriage cert (image on Ancestry):

Edmund Howells
in the Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994
Name: Edmund Howells
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Aug 1836
Marriage Place: Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales
Residence Place: Llangadwaladr
Spouse: Mary Anne Edwards
Page number: 39

There's only the GRO Index entry for the 1869 marriage (Merthyr Tydfil) on Ancestry, so no father's name there either..

Thank you, that's another one to look at.

Annie

Name Edmund Thomas Howell
Sex Male
Christening Date 24 Jan 1810
Christening Place Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales, United Kingdom
Christening Place (Original) Ynysgon, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan, Wales
Birth Date 13 Sep 1809
Father's Name Howell Thomas
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Mary
Mother's Sex Female

I hadn't found that baptism. It's out of his area for the later information I have but that doesn't rule it out. His birth date has come from an old family Bible but that doesn't mean it's correct, I suppose. I think I'll have to have a marriage cert. Thank you.
Annie

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Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Monmouthshire
Place (Links to more information) Pen-maen
Church name (Links to more information) Nebo
Register type (Links to more information) Other Transcript
Birth date 11 Jun 1813
Baptism date 14 Jul 1813
Person forename Edmund
Person sex M
Father forename Howel
Mother forename Mary
Father surname HOWELS
Transcribed by Howard Evans
File line number 441

Who does he say his father is on his 1869 marriage?

Edmund Howells was born on September 13th 1809 in Tredegar, Bedwellty district. I have his details coming forward, censuses and his two marriages, the first to Mary Anne Edwards in 1836 and then to Ann Thomas in 1869. Edmund died in 1884. He was an innkeeper in Tredegar. I cannot find his parents. I have found a likely baptism on 24 January 1809 but the name is the other way around. He is Edmund Thomas, son of Howell and Mary Thomas. Other records have shown the name as that and that appears in other trees, although I know better than to trust them without further research. I'm stumped with this one so can anyone help, please? I've tried Family Search, Find My Past, Ancestry and My Heritage without any success.

Annie