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Thank you so much everyone who replied.
the indo is so helpfull.
it will take me a while to get through it all as i have just had eye surgery.
but i am thankfull to every one of you
regards Janet

thank you for all this info
it will take me a while to get through it all.
will get back to you after ive figured all this out.
thank you

New thread posted just now

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1393549

Re Elizabeth in 1891 census with Robert Smelt:

The children Thomas and Gertrude seem to be hers from a previous relationship

??Maybe ???

GOLLACHER, THOMAS GOY mmn GOY
GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 180

GOLLAGHER, GERTRUDE GOLLAGHER mmn GOY
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 173


Thomas Gollegar
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Thomas Gollegar
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: William Gollegar
Mother: Annie Elizth. Gollegar
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sculcoates
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 5 Duesburys Terr
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Sculcoates
Sub registration district: East Sculcoates
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Piece: 4758
Folio: 42
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gollegar 30
Annie Elizth. Gollegar 27 Hull
Thomas Gollegar 10
George Gollegar 8
Gertrude Gollegar 2


Ann E L Gollaker
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Ann E L Gollaker [Ann E L Moss] [Ann Elizabeth Goy ]
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: 1854
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull Yorkshire England
Civil parish: Sculcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub-registration district: West Sculcoates
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 140
Piece: 4785
Folio: 31
Page number: 23
Household Members Age Relationship
George Moss 57 Head
Elizabeth Moss 45 Wife
Ann E L Gollaker 17 Daughter, married
William W G Moss 13 Son
Ada Moss 4 Daughter
William T L Gollaker 20 Lodger , married


An Ancestry member has added this:

"Ann's mother and father were married as Goy but her mum re married Mr Moss when her first husband died. That is why her mother is called Moss on this census. I have a marriage cert that Ann Elizabeth Goy married William Thomas Lake Gollagher"



William Thomas Gallagher
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Thomas Gallagher
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Registration Year: 1883
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 32
Registration District: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 194


The son George is in a reformatory school in 1891:

George Gollagher
in the 1891 England Census
Name: George Gollagher
Gender: Male
Age: 17
Birth Year: 1874
Birth Place: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Welbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Bulmer
Residence Place: Welbury, Welbury, Yorkshire, England
Registration District: Malton
Sub registration district: Bulmer
ED, Institution or Vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 3976
Folio: 49

I don't see Ann/ie Elizabeth after 1881 - unless she's Elisabeth Webster in 1891..

George M
Last name Webster
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1853
Age 74
Death quarter 1
Death year 1927
District Hull
County Yorkshire

George
Last name Webster
Birth quarter 2
Birth year 1851
Mother's maiden name Massey
District Rotherham
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 22
Page 583
Volume 9D
Page 459

is this where te massey came from
George Massey in 1891
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Stainforth Place, Holy Trinity and St Mary, Hull, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Male
George Massey
Head
Single Male 39 1852 Dock laborer Rotherham, Yorkshire, England
Female
Grace Smell ???? smelt
Housekeeper
Married Female 40 1851 - Hull, Yorkshire, England

although he is webster in other census

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George Webster
in the 1881 England Census
Name: George Webster
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: George Webster
Mother: Jane Webster
Gender: Male
Where born: Rotherham, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Rawmarsh
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 12 Station Row
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Furnaceman Ironworks
Registration District: Rotherham
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors:
Piece: 4678
Folio: 89
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
George Webster 51
Jane Webster 50
Annie Webster 26
Maria Webster 17
Emily Webster 14
Kiziah Webster 8
George Webster 30


Grace junior's middle name was Massey.

?? Living under false names in 1891 for some reason??

George Massey
in the 1891 England Census
Name: George Massey
Gender: Male
Age: 39
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1852
Birth Place: Rotheran, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Residence Place: Kingston upon Hull, Holy Trinity, Yorkshire, England
Registration District: Hull
Sub registration district: Myton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 62
Neighbors:
Piece: 3943
Folio: 52
Household Members:
Name Age
George Massey 39
Grace Smith 40 - Hull, housekeeper [ Smelt on image ]

Looks like Grace and Robert Smelt senior parted company between 1881 and 1891.
By 1891 Robert's living with an Elizabeth as his wife, though I don't see any marriage.

Robert Smelt senior died 1893, as posted earlier.

For some reason, Grace and George Webster didn't marry until 1919. although together in 1901 and 1911:


Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%)
Smelt Grace Webster Hull 9d 786
Webster George M Smelt Hull 9d 786


Grace Webster
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Grace Webster
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: abt 1852
Registration Date: Oct 1935[Nov 1935] [Dec 1935]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 288



Ellen Webster
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Ellen Webster
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Glanford Brigg
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 1102a
Records on Page:
Name
Ellen Webster
Charles Young

to complicate things i think ???

grace bolsover from 1881 wife of robert snr

in the 1901 England Census

Name: Grace Webster
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: George Webster
Birth Place: Hull
Civil Parish: Holy Trinity
Search Photos: Search for 'Holy Trinity' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Hull
Sub-registration District: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors:
Piece: 4505
Folio: 63
Page Number: 5
Household Schedule Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
George Webster 49
Grace Webster 50
Grace M Webster 6

Mother's Maiden Surname:
WEBSTER, GRACE MASSEY BOLSOVER
GRO Reference: 1895 M Quarter in CAISTOR Volume 07A Page 662

Grace Webster in 1911
1911 Census For England & Wales
16 Fairmont Road Grimsby, Clee, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Male
Charles Young
Head
Married Male 27 1884 Foundry labourer Great Grimsby Lincs
Female
Ellen Young (georges daughter from previous arriage )
Wife
Married Female 23 1888 - Caistor Lincs
Female
Ellen Elezebth Young
Daughter
- Female 3 1908 - Great Grimsby Lincs
Male
George Adam Young
Son
- Male 1 1910 - Great Grimsby Lincs
Female
Grace Webster
Sister in law
Single Female 16 1895 Domestic servant Caistor Lincs

did he join merchant navy
if it is him has photo attached

Robert
Last name Webster
Event year 1918
Birth year 1876
Birth place Hull
Birth county/country Yorkshire
Birth date 12 Dec 1876 - 1939 says 1877
Discharge number -
Identity certificate number 443874
Card type CR10
Archive
The National Archives
Series BT350
Date range 1918-1921
Record set Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1918-1941 -------- findmypast

Previous Dwelling Next Dwelling Printable Format
Details of the location of the dwelling
Census County District Civil Parish Ecclesiastical Parish Piece Enumeration District Folio Page Schedule House Number House or Street Name
1871 Yorkshire, East Riding (ERY) Hull Holy Trinity St Stephen 4790 16 134 13 87 87 Spring St

New Search Revise Search Back to Results Previous Search Result Next Search Result Generate Citation

Details of each person in the dwelling
Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
the person found in your search WEBSTER Robert Head M M 45 Blacksmith YKS Beverley
WEBSTER Vyoleta Wife M F 46 YKS Hull

Name: Robert Webster
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: abt 1878
Registration Date: Apr 1960
[May 1960]
[Jun 1960]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 2a
Page: 163

Name: Annetta Webster
Death Age: 85
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1890
Registration Date: Oct 1975
[Nov 1975]
[Dec 1975]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Hull
Inferred County: Humberside
Volume: 7
Page: 0683

????
Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Edmondson James Hull 9d 286
Smith Vyoleta Hull 9d 286
TAYLOR Sarah Ann Hull 9d 286
WEBSTER Robert Hull 9d 286

Robert
Last name Smelt
Birth quarter 1
Birth year 1878
Mother's maiden name Bolsover
District Sculcoates
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Page 177

father
Robert
Last name Smelt
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1873
Registration month -
Robert Smelt married one of these people
Grace Bolsover
Sculcoates

1881
Name: Robert Sault
[Robert Smelt]
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Robert Sault --- lab in iron works
Mother: Grace Sault --- mmn bolsover
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sutton and Stoneferry
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 26 Elizabeths Terr Spyvee St
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration District: Sculcoates
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 4747
Folio: 23
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Sault 28
Grace Sault 28
Sarah A. Sault 7
Robert Sault 3
Elizabeth Sault

1891 ???
Name: Robert Smelt
Gender: Male
Age: 14
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1877
Father: Robert Smelt
Mother: Elisabeth Smelt
Birth Place: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Holy Trinity
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
Residence Place: Kingston upon Hull, Holy Trinity, Yorkshire, England
Registration District: Hull
Sub registration district: Myton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 63
Neighbors:
Piece: 3943
Folio: 73
Household Members:
Name Age -
Robert Smelt 40 ---- - blacksmith
Elisabeth Smelt 34
Elisabeth Smelt 11
Robert Smelt 14
Gertrude Smelt 12
Thomas Smelt 19

father
Name: Robert Smelt
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Registration Year: 1893
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 41
Registration District: Hull
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 199

different dob
1939
Robert Webster
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 12 Dec 1877
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 8
Residence Place: Kingston-upon-Hull, Yorkshire (East Riding), England
Occupation: Fisherman-Deck Hand
Line Number: 7
Schedule Number: 199
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: JAIA
Borough: Kingston-upon-Hull
Registration district: 522-2
Inferred Spouse:
Netta Webster
Inferred Children:
Robert Webster
Household Members Age
Robert Webster 62
Netta Webster
50
Robert Webster
21

Name: Netta Webster
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 31 Jul 1889
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 8
Residence Place: Kingston-upon-Hull, Yorkshire (East Riding), England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Line Number: 8

1911 Census For England & Wales
4 Villa Terrace Wassand St Hull, Holy Trinity and St Mary, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Male
Robert Webster
Head
Married Male 30 1881 Fisherman Yorks Hull
Female
Annetta Webster
Wife
Married Female 21 1890 - Yorks Hull
Female
Gertrude Kitching Webster
Daughter
- Female 0 1911 - Yorks Hull
Male
Arthur Kitching
Father law
Married Male 44 1867 Cooper Yorks Hull
Female
Gertrude Kitching
Mother in law
Married Female 45 1866 - Yorks Hull

Robert
Last name Webster
Age 29
Birth year 1881
Occupation Fisherman
Marital status B
Residence 4 Villa Terrace Wassand ST
Marriage year 1910
Marriage date 02 Sep 1910
Marriage place Hull, St Barnabas
By licence or by banns B
Spouse's first name(s) Annetta
Spouse's last name Kitching
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's birth year 1889
Spouse's residence 4 Villa Terrace Wassand St
Spouse's marital status S
Father's first name(s) Robert Webster --------------------
Father's occupation Blacksmith
Spouse's father's first name(s) Arthur Kitching
Spouse's father occupation Cooper
Witness 1 John Williams
Witness 2 Alice Kitching
County Yorkshire (East Riding)
Country England
Archive East Riding Archives & Local Studies Service
Archive reference PE149/24
Page 230

The marriage details are on FMP

His father was also said to be Robert, a Blacksmith

The couple’s address was 4 Villa Terrace, Wassand Street on 2nd Sept, 1910, as it was on 1911 census. The KITCHING family home

No results for him on FMP before the marriage, with Hull as a location

No Webster witnesses to the marriage

Are you looking for what happened toRobert after 1918 or his birth and parents ?

The marriage was in 1910, so they should be together on 1911 census

There are several other children of the marriage on freebmd.